20141017 I Know That I Have Been Called An Apple

Keith I MyersKeith I Myers2014-10-17 21:14:57-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-17 21:14:57-0400I know that I have been called an Apple Hater in the past and wanted to explain the main reason why I hate Apple devices. It all comes down to the principle of “Who actually owns your device?”. Allow me to explain.

First, If I own my device, I should be able to purchase any standard MicroUSB cable and use it rather then purchasing $30.00-$40.00 proprietary cables from Apple. I know knockoff lighting cables do exist but should I really need to use them?

I have no problems with Google and Apple policing and disallowing certain applications in their respective Application Catalogs. Android, unlike iOS allows users to obtain Android Applications from other sources such as directly from the developer and install them without the need to Jailbreak your phone/tablet. Hell, with Android, you can even have a choice of Application Stores (Google Play, Amazon, etc).

Lets think of this like a laptop/desktop computer. Would you pay $500-$999 for a laptop that you could not install your choice of applications on? Who really owns this laptop, you or the manufacturer?

Sorry, I am not spending any money for devices that I have to go through additional hoops to actually assume ownership of my new expensive purchase.

Apple bans several applications that compete against their own internal applications. An example of this is the WebBrowser, in which developers are FORCED to use the WebKit Engine. ALL Web Browsers on the Apple store including Chrome and Opera are little more then a re-skinned version of Safari with some added features. FireFox for example uses the Gecko Engine and Chrome’s normal engine on all other platforms is known as “Blink”

Apple further locks down several features of their devices such as NFC for no real reason except keeping it exclusive to ApplePay. In Android’s case, NFC is open and free for every application to use for various purposes. There are also competing mobile wallets such as SoftCard (Formally ISIS). Again, if you indeed own your iPhone, why cant you choose your mobile wallet and use the NFC for things like;
-Exchanging business cards
-Sharing WiFi details
-Home Automation
And a whole lot more

Note : I do not support downloading pirated Android Applications to sideload on your device. There are several applications that Google either does not want to host on the App store (such as penetration testing tools). There are also developers who would rather not distribute their applications in the Google Play Store and use services like the HumbleBundle/Indie Bundle.I know that I have been called an Apple Hater in the past and wanted to explain the main reason why I hate Apple devices. It all comes down to the principle of "Who actually owns your device?". Allow me to explain.

First, If I own my device, I should be able to purchase any standard MicroUSB cable and use it rather then purchasing $30.00-$40.00 proprietary cables from Apple. I know knockoff lighting cables do exist but should I really need to use them?

I have no problems with Google and Apple policing and disallowing certain applications in their respective Application Catalogs. Android, unlike iOS allows users to obtain Android Applications from other sources such as directly from the developer and install them without the need to Jailbreak your phone/tablet. Hell, with Android, you can even have a choice of Application Stores (Google Play, Amazon, etc).

Lets think of this like a laptop/desktop computer. Would you pay $500-$999 for a laptop that you could not install your choice of applications on? Who really owns this laptop, you or the manufacturer?

Sorry, I am not spending any money for devices that I have to go through additional hoops to actually assume ownership of my new expensive purchase.

Apple bans several applications that compete against their own internal applications. An example of this is the WebBrowser, in which developers are FORCED to use the WebKit Engine. ALL Web Browsers on the Apple store including Chrome and Opera are little more then a re-skinned version of Safari with some added features. FireFox for example uses the Gecko Engine and Chrome's normal engine on all other platforms is known as "Blink"

Apple further locks down several features of their devices such as NFC for no real reason except keeping it exclusive to ApplePay. In Android's case, NFC is open and free for every application to use for various purposes. There are also competing mobile wallets such as SoftCard (Formally ISIS). Again, if you indeed own your iPhone, why cant you choose your mobile wallet and use the NFC for things like;
-Exchanging business cards
-Sharing WiFi details
-Home Automation
And a whole lot more

Note : I do not support downloading pirated Android Applications to sideload on your device. There are several applications that Google either does not want to host on the App store (such as penetration testing tools). There are also developers who would rather not distribute their applications in the Google Play Store and use services like the HumbleBundle/Indie Bundle.

I know that I have been called an Apple Hater in the past and wanted to explain the main reason why I hate Apple devices. It all comes down to the principle of “Who actually owns your device?”. Allow me to explain.First, If I own my device, I should be able to purchase any standard MicroUSB cable and use it rather then purchasing $30.00-$40.00 proprietary cables from Apple. I know knockoff lighting cables do exist but should I really need to use them?I have no problems with Google and Apple policing and disallowing certain applications in their respective Application Catalogs. Android, unlike iOS allows users to obtain Android Applications from other sources such as directly from the developer and install them without the need to Jailbreak your phone/tablet. Hell, with Android, you can even have a choice of Application Stores (Google Play, Amazon, etc).Lets think of this like a laptop/desktop computer. Would you pay $500-$999 for a laptop that you could not install your choice of applications on? Who really owns this laptop, you or the manufacturer?Sorry, I am not spending any money for devices that I have to go through additional hoops to actually assume ownership of my new expensive purchase.Apple bans several applications that compete against their own internal applications. An example of this is the WebBrowser, in which developers are FORCED to use the WebKit Engine. ALL Web Browsers on the Apple store including Chrome and Opera are little more then a re-skinned version of Safari with some added features. FireFox for example uses the Gecko Engine and Chrome’s normal engine on all other platforms is known as “Blink”Apple further locks down several features of their devices such as NFC for no real reason except keeping it exclusive to ApplePay. In Android’s case, NFC is open and free for every application to use for various purposes. There are also competing mobile wallets such as SoftCard (Formally ISIS). Again, if you indeed own your iPhone, why cant you choose your mobile wallet and use the NFC for things like;-Exchanging business cards-Sharing WiFi details-Home AutomationAnd a whole lot moreNote : I do not support downloading pirated Android Applications to sideload on your device. There are several applications that Google either does not want to host on the App store (such as penetration testing tools). There are also developers who would rather not distribute their applications in the Google Play Store and use services like the HumbleBundle/Indie Bundle.

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The points you made in this are valid and rational, and not that you had to explain your disdain, I’m glad I got to read it and have to respect the view.
Cameron Rodgers – 2014-10-17 23:02:59-0400EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Brian Peters – 2014-10-17 23:13:50-0400On my MacBook Pro over the years, I have replaced the screen {about $600.00) and the swollen battery ($135.00) Never again will I buy a Apple product..
I am not a film editor, musician, or a great photographer.
I just can’t see the expense for a lot of Apple Mystique.
Beautiful case though.  Brian Peters – 2014-10-17 23:27:28-0400+Albert Peña It is pretty good for watching porn.Keith I Myers – 2014-10-17 23:33:16-0400+Albert Peña – The “Walled Garden” / Security argument is actually a bit flawed. Android is equally as secure as iOS and in many ways may be even more secure. Many security flaws take advantage of carrier/manufacturer defects rather then flaws in the core OS. I am not saying that Android is free of exploits but neither is iOS.

“Jailbreaking” an iOS device ALWAYS relies on finding a root level exploit on iOS. Rooting an Android phone however does not always need to be done with a root exploit if you have an unloccked bootloader. 

And to tell you the truth, I am not willing to give up my ability to “own” my device for the illusion of more security, LaJuan Hughes – 2014-10-17 23:54:25-0400I agree great points. Christopher Whiteside – 2014-10-18 00:26:06-0400Yawn Logan Vaughan – 2014-10-18 01:12:59-0400+Albert Peña cough cough icloudCameron Clapp – 2014-10-18 01:39:11-0400So true, I hate the argument people say “they protect users by not letting them do what they want with their devices.” I actually brealived that until I was looking for a new phone and found out how amazing androids was. Frankie Lujan – 2014-10-18 01:44:53-0400+Christopher Whiteside what an insightful comment, so deep and profound.

Well that aside, I agree with you all the way +Keith I Myers. Just like when people buy designer clothing, they are just buying the brand name. It goes the same way with people who buy an apple product. When I took my brother in law to the Apple Store I asked a few people why do they buy apple products, and what they use it for, and most of them answered “because it’s apple”, and most of them are using said products for social media, Internet browsing, and to listen to music. Christopher Whiteside – 2014-10-18 01:49:50-0400Did you like it frankie i was afraid it would to complex for you to grasp 👉👌Brian Newhouse – 2014-10-18 02:42:55-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 02:44:58-0400Well said….I agree to the fullest…..I have a friend who has an iphone and they couldn’t even download a media file (sounds clip) I sent them using my android device. The reason being was because the media file (sound clip) wasn’t purchased through the app store and rather sent via a android device. I then attempted to send her a wallpaper file (not sure on the file type, think it was a .jpg), to which once again, she wasn’t able to download. I don’t see paying bukoo $$$ for a device that isn’t able to use download “everyday” files. Seems like the user is treated as a “highly protected/controlled” child. To that effect, that is why I will never own an Apple device. Sure there are loopholes, but why go that route when it is entirely not necessary and risking bricking your phone? I use a stock android, and have all the capabilities I need for my everyday usage and have really no reason to root my device….though I know how to root, I still have no need or desire to.Keith I Myers – 2014-10-18 02:52:04-0400+Albert Peña – but they don’t have “the best” security, the only people who believe that are located in Apple’s Marketing Department. Their security is slightly above Average. Google has had 2 factor authentication for YEARS. Jürgen Wahlmann – 2014-10-18 03:01:05-0400+Ben Micael Dven you do realize that the price of the phone is included in the monthly payment of your contract and all you gain is not having to pay the phone at once?

Sometimes, if not always the contract is even more expensive since they give you some sort of credit. Leon Rodgers – 2014-10-18 03:44:26-0400Great post +Keith I MyersRobert Harris – 2014-10-18 03:48:23-0400Sounds like a PETA rep. Just hate everybody. It’s obvious people like what they like. I would hate to live in a world with only one choice. Can you imagine if there was only Google or only Apple?Robert Harris – 2014-10-18 03:49:20-0400Shouldn’t lose sleep over what phone OEM or operating system another person uses. Ahmad Rizky Alfian – 2014-10-18 04:33:58-0400https://plus.google.com/111318370678852884742/posts/LEhp7Cming8Brian Williams – 2014-10-18 04:50:55-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 04:57:02-0400It’s all a matter of personal preference. I was an Android user for 5 years until I eventually got sick and tired of having to upgrade my phone every time the new OS came out because the phone I had “didn’t support the new update” or wasn’t going to be included on the list of devices to get the new update. Between that, and the constant crashing of certain apps, the phone shutting itself off or rebooting itself all the time, I couldn’t take it anymore. I’ve had my iPhone for two years and haven’t had a single issue with it. I get all the updates on day one( instead of having to wait sometimes months as was the case with 2 android phones I owned) and I haven’t had to buy a new iPhone just because the new iOS was released – I currently own an iPhone 4s that is running iOS 8 – my current phone has lasted 3 new iOS updates. I do however plan on upgrading to the iPhone 6 come February solely because of the new screen size, that was my one and only complaint of the iPhone is that it didn’t have a larger screen. I’m tired of hearing about why one phone is better than the other. For me personally, I’ve used them both and I think the iPhone is far better than any android phone, that’s MY opinion. Pankaj singh – 2014-10-18 05:07:17-0400Actually an shopkeeper gets Apple micro USB cable in less than 1$ and sell it in around 40$ :p I own a Apple products showroom in India.Carl Draper – 2014-10-18 05:41:43-0400+Brian Williams iPhone 4S gets the latest update yes but it runs like crap and half the new features aren’t available. At least with an Android phone you have the option of third party ROMs. Mark Railton – 2014-10-18 05:41:57-0400+Ryan Martin that’s one handset, I’ve owned several android devices over the years and have the exact same issues with the device not being included in os upgrade cycles, then add in that there is no clear way to keep your device in sync with music and pics on your computer unless you happen to live in one of the few countries that have access to google music, which also does not work for images.

This is an argument that can (and likely will) just keep going round in circles. What really pisses me off about the whole thing tho is that Apple users get called fan boys whilst android users are just android users.Don Felipe – 2014-10-18 06:17:33-0400Typical of G+, one person has axe grind against #Apple, for reasons unknown, they rant on G+ and automatically it becomes “Hot” 🔥. If you don’t like a Product or the company behind the products, fine, but must you rant about it?! Billy Anthony Tohar – 2014-10-18 06:19:12-0400+Keith I Myers nice post. Though another factor for me is the price for spec ratio. I know applefan will say that their 1,4ghz dual core a8 is enough, but for me that just means that i just bought an “enough” spec phone for a premium price. I want a premium device if i bought it at premium price. Not just the looks of premium device. I am the kind of person who is willing to pay for another brand if i think their price:spec ratio is good enough, rather than stick with a brand that only charge premium price for looksRicky Cash – 2014-10-18 06:26:46-0400+Carl Draper Google+ is for photos which can be automatic if you want, I assume it also works with also with the iPhone. As for syncing music do you mean having all your music on you computer go on your phone? This Apple notion of Syncing has always baffled me.Cristian Nastase – 2014-10-18 06:50:52-0400+Brian Williams What Android phones did you own? Ivan Melendez – 2014-10-18 06:51:29-0400Apple’s and Google’s are the only devices I would buy for many many many reasons! I don’t care about specs, etc. The overall user experience, in any way you can think of, is the real deal for me!Colin Shaw – 2014-10-18 06:56:02-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 07:05:20-0400+Daniel Goller spot on sir, well saidprashant krishna shrestha – 2014-10-18 07:01:47-0400+Ben Micael Dven not every one in world lives in US of A …… There are people living outside of it ….. Frizen Yeh – 2014-10-18 07:06:13-0400iSheep still buying it. Someone tell me any advantage of iOS devices please, if there is anything android can’t do but iOS can. Vishok GP – 2014-10-18 07:08:55-0400whoever posted this is the biggest idiot because he does’nt know the story of what happened. if Apple was’nt there you would not be using your “Android” or “Windows”.Aiden Howlett – 2014-10-18 07:09:49-0400Aussie here and I can say that MY option is Apple is better. Android does have really good stuff, but the selection of apps just – I don’t no – doesn’t look to be monitored.Christopher Mylant – 2014-10-18 07:11:36-0400Helpless and blind fanboy… Or tribal brat is all you are sir. Enjoy all of your made up hate and 1/2 truths. Frizen Yeh – 2014-10-18 07:13:44-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 07:14:25-0400+Vishok G hahaha omg your post so funny… come on, he wasn’t flaming apple at all, he is just comparing iOS and android and writing what he thinks….lol and I’m not quite get your logic either…Linux is the Dad of android and iOS while windows is not really related…… Thanks for the best joke of today !Boms Lauban – 2014-10-18 07:17:14-0400+Keith I Myers nice one..Vishok GP – 2014-10-18 07:25:06-0400no this guy is crazyFrizen Yeh – 2014-10-18 07:27:32-0400+Mark Railton Google photo backup is crying. Besides, when you connect your computer, you could just drag and drop anything from PC to android phone… A much easier way to “sync”. Or you can use cloud storage such as Box, Google drive, Copy, dropbox, ….to backup and sync files over the internet. Ken Nakatani – 2014-10-18 07:33:10-0400Haters gonna hateColin Shaw – 2014-10-18 07:46:42-0400+Vishok G omg you sir are mentally deludedVishok GP – 2014-10-18 07:59:32-0400+Colin Shaw  Excuse me, but I do not think you know the fact of all the softwares that they were made in microsoft or apple mainly. Microsoft would not exist if Apple was’nt there. All most everyone knows the fact. So I think you are the person who is mentally deluded  Zammi Kahan – 2014-10-18 08:00:53-0400+Brian Williams your points reminds me the time I bought my first Android devise, HTC desire in 2010. Apps used to crash etc. Since then I have switched between Android, iOS and Windows devices. Problem with Android was delay in updates unless you own a Google device. But today most of the Android phones are getting updates within 3 months. In my case Moto X getting faster updates. I never could settle with iPhone. The biggest deal breaking facts were the lock up and the problems I used to face after each major updates. Currently I use an iPad 4 and the Mac book pro. Since iOS 7 iPad is almost useless and iOS 8 made it worst. Most of the apps I use are crashing now. My wife wants me to me to revert her iPad back to iOS 7 but obviously there is no way. Yesterday I updated my Mac book to 10.10. Its too early to comment and hope everything will be okay.Pablo Arista – 2014-10-18 08:09:42-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 08:17:23-0400+Brian Williams as an fyi, iPhone 4 devices (not 4s) don’t get the update for ios 8 (not that they’re missing much with an os that’s buggier than windows Vista). So not all devices get the update. If you were to stick with your 4s, you wouldn’t get ios 9 and iPad 2 users will also not get ios 9. You have a horrible argument. Also your version of ios 8 is limited big time (besides running super slow since the hardware is ancient).

I have owned an iPhone 5 and an iPad 4 and while I’ll admit that the battery is amazing, you either don’t use your device to the fullest or you’re just lying. iOS crashes like any other os. I’ve had my rants with developers delivering crap sometimes. They try to sway me off with their lingo not realizing that I myself am a developer. The system apps themselves crash too. It’s just the nature of the beast. There is no flawless OS that will not have its hiccups. Initially when I first bought my ios devices and my MacBook I thought that was the case, but me being a computer science student and a systems analyst at work I use my devices to the fullest. ..especially when doing stress tests. My concept of the perfect apple niche went out the window.

I’m of course doing my analysis on ios 5, 6, and ios 7. If you honestly believe that ios 8 is better than the current kitkat, then you truly are a troll. iOS 8 (as I noted earlier) is worst than windows Vista. In fact I don’t think I’ve used a version of windows that was as buggy as ios 8, nor a version of windows that persisted in any major ui flaws for this long.

Your argument about not getting the latest OS version for android is not specific to all android devices. For one you could install it yourself manually without the consent of the manufacturer, and 2 I can use the argument that the first iPhone didn’t have apps to download or an app store and claim that all ios devices follow suit, when we all know that is false. You have to put things into perspective, in order to have a valid argument. I hope if you ever do higher math, that your mathematical proofs are not as bad as the ones you stated here…LEAF2ZERO – 2014-10-18 08:15:35-0400Excellent. My view exactly. Android = freedom and choiceColin Shaw – 2014-10-18 08:53:08-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 08:54:41-0400+Vishok G I think you need to go back to school if bill gates had not given apple $250k apple would not exist,oh and your hero Mr jobs admitted he had stolen most of his ideas.so fanboy don’t troll.
When you haven’t got a clue what you’re talking aboutKeith I Myers – 2014-10-18 09:04:22-0400+Christopher Mylant and +Vishok G – Please keep in mind that these are simply my options and reasons why I will never purchase an Apple iPhone or iPad. You are free to also share my opinion or rebute my claims. If you feel that I am incorrect then please state why.

+Christopher Mylant – I make no claims stating that I am not an Android Fanboy. Can you state my incorrect statement so I may do some further research since you made this accusation? I am not above making mistakes and I am also someone who has no problems admitting that I made them and correcting them.

Also, if you want a list of cherry picked statements and half ture statements about Android, turn no further than your annual WWDC meetings or any Apple announcement.

+Vishok G – As stated above, these are simply my opinions on why I will not buy these products. I am not leading a charge to get them pulled off the store shelves based on my opinions so chill. I spent about 30 minutes writing this post to give intelligent insight into why I feel like this only for you to attack me with one line statements calling me an idiot. If you feel like I am wrong, please tell me why or share your own opinion. Unlike others, I encourage people to share their own personal opinions and will never sensor posts unless they were simply created to insult others Keith I Myers – 2014-10-18 09:06:29-0400Also… For those who wanted me to mention specs and price … I purposely did not and +Joseph Hindy called me out on that once before. Christopher Johnston – 2014-10-18 09:26:19-0400Love android but do have some love for iPhone 5 . if I could I’d install 5.0 lollipop on one and have the best os with the hardware to match . but now nexus 6 has been announced so yeah bugger that Joseph Hindy – 2014-10-18 09:38:02-0400+Keith I Myers this is the most well reasoned argument against a product I’ve seen out of anyone in a long time. No beef here =) Brandon Chamberlain – 2014-10-18 09:52:55-0400+Keith I Myers While I completely agree with this argument, it is worthwhile to note on this comment: “Apple further locks down several features of their devices such as NFC for no real reason except keeping it exclusive to ApplePay.”

There is a reason: it is an actual limitation of iOS. iOS as an operating system does not allow for installed software to access the hardware directly. Hence why NFC cannot be accessed by any application this is NOT part of the OS. Also why you will never find WiFi analyzer (or anything of the sort) available for iOS. Understandably, this is for stability, the less you have accessing hardware, the more likely your system is to remain stable, but it is a limitation (intentional or not) either way. Don Dudas – 2014-10-18 10:06:59-0400+Albert Peña the problem was, until the iCloud breach, Apple did not support 2-factor authentication. They also did not limit the amount of login attempts. That’s why they were able to be breached by a brute force attack. John B – 2014-10-18 10:13:02-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 10:29:19-0400+Vishok G your a dumbass. windows was already being created alongside Mac they both got the idea from Xerox. windows was supposed to drop the same time the mac did but they held off for a year. don’t hand me this bullshit that we needed Apple for Windows and +Colin Shaw is right, Bill Gates bailed out Apple back in 98. As for Android the LG Prada dropped a year before the iPhone came out, and Android was created in 2003 and bought by Google in 2005, the iPhone dropped in 2007. stop acting like we needed Apple when Apple needed everyone else to copy from.John B – 2014-10-18 10:14:17-0400Is this the new logo? HahahahaRaphael Lumpkin – 2014-10-18 10:28:07-0400+Albert Peña didn’t they just get hacked oh wait crapple never gets hacked or viruses smdh. With Android 5 we will have locking features that will be better. Raphael Lumpkin – 2014-10-18 10:30:32-0400Quality product my ass crapple zombiedized their sheep so much that they are blind. Crapple sucks and nothing is new about the ipoop besides the screen.Colin Shaw – 2014-10-18 10:33:39-0400+John B spot on sirKeith I Myers – 2014-10-18 10:42:39-0400+Brandon Chamberlain – Good point and I should add that Android also has limits on how devices are applications are allowed to interact with the hardware. This is a common practice, even on laptops and desktops as it makes little sense for applications to be aware of every piece of hardware.

The common practice among operating systems, Android included, is to abstract much of the hardware and expose a series of APIs. Developers really should only interact directly with the hardware if they are building new hardware for the device, which does not happen too often.

Apple maintains a restricted set of APIs that if any application attempts to use (except for Apple applications), they will not permit the application into the App Store, which is the sole software distribution system for iOS without jailbreaking it. Hell, Apple even forbids calling shared libraries. Keith I Myers – 2014-10-18 10:50:34-0400+Raphael lumpkin – Weather or not Apple got hacked is still up for debate. The celebrity nude photo leaks may have also been an inside job at Apple or the celebrity using weak passwords. I see reports all the time of the iCloud Remote Lock being used to hold a persons phone ransom but no clear evidence has been shown to pin down the exact method of entry, was it a case of a vulnerability or simply another case of weak passwords. 

I also do agree with your Quality comment. IPhone users commonly use this argument but it holds almost no water. Sure, the iPhone may win in a quality test against a $100 Accatel, ZTE or Keyocera Android phone however it does not stand a change against the Moto X, HTC One or any Sony Xperia devices. We even have the added benefit that several Sony and Samsung phones are water resistant if not full out waterproof. I can hold my Sony Z Ultra underwater for hours without damage (although it is only rated for 30 minutes)‘Jə – ‘ə’ – 2014-10-18 11:16:32-0400Funny thing there +Vishok G, I think that would be awesome. I think cell phones should be cell phones and not have a 1-2 day battery just so you can do a bunch of extraneous shit. We had PDAs before smart phones and those were around without Apple’s invention either.NUGGY NIC – 2014-10-18 11:18:32-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 11:20:25-0400Every thing Google does is with selling ads in mind. Sure they keep it open to developers. The more apps that are made the more customers they hope to get. All the developers that make quality/well made apps, are making ios apps. I have not seen any app thats on both operating systems be better on the android. Apple users typically from my experience have a higher net worth. Thats where the money is. Movie stars have a high net worth and they typically use an iPhone. Thats where I would try to hack aswell. You can put anything from Itunes on to any apple product. You are limited to where you can put things from the play store. Android might have sd but you cant barely put anything on it. Whats the point? 32gbs is not enough local storage for me and it never will be. I dont need apps from a 3rd party when the ones from the ecosystem of the device im using should be efficient enough.Fernando – 2014-10-18 11:23:23-0400Hit the nail on the head with this one.william reynolds – 2014-10-18 11:47:59-0400+Nic Moore yes, that’s why I see all the temps where I work with iPhones. Because they make so much. Most movie stars are also clueless, so that means nothing. They know iPhones have been considered status symbols, so they buy them. I’m not sure what you mean that you are limited to where you can put things from the play store? I use the same apps on my phone and tablets. Though, Amazon videos has only been released for phones. Luckily you can download the apk and side load it on a tablet.Frankie Lujan – 2014-10-18 11:58:50-0400+Keith I Myers any time any one gives a legitimate reason they don’t like Apple, they are considered fandroids. It’s what I go through whenever I have apple discussions.

Oh and,
+Christopher Whiteside thank you for contributing to the topic at hand again so insightful and educated! 👉👌‘Jə – ‘ə’ – 2014-10-18 12:01:04-0400Yesterday I was trying to help a coworker having issues with wifi on his roku, and we both learned that you cannot install a wifi analyzer on iPhone.‘Jə – ‘ə’ – 2014-10-18 12:10:05-0400Has anyone who has had to interact with an apple machine noticed that they arbitrarily renamed MAC address as Airport Code?

It took way too long to get my sister on the whitelist for my parents router.Christopher Whiteside – 2014-10-18 12:21:28-0400Your welcome frankie i work hard 💩Paul Clark – 2014-10-18 12:40:09-0400+Albert Peña I can only speak for myself here, but as an Android fanboy, I often know and care way more about security issues than my Apple-carrying friends. I also work in the IT industry, though.Surreal Nightmares – 2014-10-18 13:04:56-0400+Vishok G That is true, but then they didn’t have to be so restrictive in later years.Pat Swan – 2014-10-18 13:09:04-0400I enjoyed reading this post and most of the comments.  It’s good to see people discussing this instead of the usual moronic fanboy accusations and ignorant comments.  Thanks for the post!Brian Williams – 2014-10-18 13:14:40-0400+Carl Draper my phone doesn’t run like crap, it works just fine. And yes, I don’t get all of the new features but the ones I don’t get aren’t really that important to me at the moment – like some of the health app features, I don’t really need those right now. I can wait until February when I get the iPhone 6.Ankit Sharma – 2014-10-18 13:19:05-0400So that’s what Apple is really on the inside.
There’s a lot more under its skin that meets the eye. XDBulent Coskun – 2014-10-18 13:21:17-0400I absolutely agreeKurtis Kelly – 2014-10-18 13:27:34-0400+Albert Peña That’s the issue though… Apple has worse security than Android now… LolI – 2014-10-18 14:08:24-0400If I buy an iPhone and I sell it two years laters and I get cash for it I own the device. Haters gonna hate. I – 2014-10-18 14:08:51-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 14:09:25-0400+Kurtis Kelly not at all. wrong. iOS still more secure than android. Kurtis Kelly – 2014-10-18 14:11:15-0400+Gerard Guiterez. Yes, completely actually. How many news stories have you heard about android security issues lately? None? How many iOS issues? Hundreds. After the 4.2 update of android, Android has been far more stable than iOS and has shown a stronger level if security. There was actual research in this that I read about a few months ago… IOS 8 has only gotten worse.I – 2014-10-18 14:12:03-0400+Keith I Myers if you own anything and you can sell it including chargers. You own it. Crazy idea you got.

The only reason iPhone have proprietary charger is because they don’t want you to buy a cheap price of crap charger and burn down your how.

It is well know cheap crap have cause explosions and burn down houses. Including cheap micro use chargers from China. I – 2014-10-18 14:14:00-0400+Kurtis Kelly none. Only one was the celebrity crap and guess what. They had a crappy password and they posted it on the Internet.

On iOS the weakest link is you. If you don’t protect your password don’t expect security.

Of course haters lie and made it bigger than it really was. Just like every other small issues. Kurtis Kelly – 2014-10-18 14:19:22-0400+Gerard Guiterez. Yeah, I am definitely referring to password protection… I forgot that stability refers to password encryption… Lol. You Apple fanboys are so fun to listen to. Normally I wouldn’t lash out at you so quickly, but considering you are spamming this post repeatedly and making no sense, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.I – 2014-10-18 14:21:05-0400+Kurtis Kelly password is encrypted.

iCloud was never hacked. Password was given by the stupid celebrity.

Haters gonna hate and lie. Kurtis Kelly – 2014-10-18 14:22:21-0400+Gerard Guiterez. I am not referring to the leaks. I am referring to oh so much more. I don’t have time to outline each event, as I am very busy, but a quick search will surely inform you.I – 2014-10-18 14:23:07-0400+Kurtis Kelly iOS and iCloud are secure. Haters gonna hate and lie. Kurtis Kelly – 2014-10-18 14:24:40-0400Haha. Apple fanboys gonna spew information out of thin air and repeat themselves. ^^^ #Applefanboys #iQuit #EducationPat Swan – 2014-10-18 14:28:28-0400Well, bummer.  We were all doing so well for while.Martial Bachoffner – 2014-10-18 14:45:42-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 18:25:43-0400I don’t know where you got your info from, i can install any apps on my Mac.Michael Aaron Murphy – 2014-10-18 15:05:43-0400Fun Fact: Chrome and Safari use Webkit regardless of operating system. Google may call their Webkit ‘Blink’ but it’s still Webkit. Webkit itself is a fork of KHTML from KDE.tony greene – 2014-10-18 15:09:56-0400DittoPat Swan – 2014-10-18 15:25:06-0400I’ll ditto that ditto. Keith I Myers – 2014-10-18 16:20:37-0400+Andy W – I never said that jackie – 2014-10-18 16:21:33-0400I understand but Apple is awesomeKeith I Myers – 2014-10-18 16:27:43-0400+StrauberryJam Fan – but why? I – 2014-10-18 16:31:35-0400+Keith I Myers if you don’t like it is ok.

For my workflow. Apple is awesome. Tom Hill – 2014-10-18 16:34:15-0400Apple do the same proprietary BS with Bluetooth. I have a Nexus 5 and tried to send a file to a friend with an iPhone. The iPhone would not pick up my Nexus 5 for some reason. I don’t really understand why to this day considering Bluetooth is a set standard. Do Apple make it intentionally hard for iPhones to pick up Android phones on Bluetooth. Love to see the legalities on this as all Bluetooth device manufacturers would have to pay some sort of royalty to the initial inventor of Bluetooth for using that standard.

Anyone have any thoughts or comments on this post???
Is this true or was it just me not setting up my Bluetooth properly.I – 2014-10-18 16:38:44-0400+Tom Hill I would not waste my time with android againBuffy Lyon – 2014-10-18 17:08:39-0400Certainly some valid points, in particularly I agree that blocking features that are already there is close to evil. My pet peeve is disabling IMAP IDLE. Carl Draper – 2014-10-18 17:12:41-0400Bluetooth is a non-starter with the fucking iPhone, file transfer just does not work, the iPhone user not having any access to it’s filesystem and all.Buffy Lyon – 2014-10-18 17:14:04-0400+Keith I Myers I’d have to say they are well below average on security. General response is that of an ostrich – deny the problem. Colin Shaw – 2014-10-18 17:20:33-0400+Gerard Guiterez sir you are seriously deluded i suggest you go back and look around againseth holston – 2014-10-18 17:21:22-0400For a consumer Apple doesn’t make much sense. The price just doesn’t make sense. As a multimedia person, a workstation is gonna set you back on either platform. windows based pcs allow custom builds which is a very good thing potentially. I use Apple and started on PCs. I’m not loyal to any platform. Colin Shaw – 2014-10-18 17:23:11-0400+Gerard Guiterez oh dear oh dear I know you love apple but please stop trolling I – 2014-10-18 17:29:42-0400Haters gonna hateNathaniel Harari – 2014-10-18 17:31:04-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 17:39:08-0400I’ve owned two Android phones over four years straight, and I’ve used Linux since around 1994 when I was running MU*s on my own personal 486 server. I grew up with Apple II and Mac, as well as Kaypro II and 10, and the TI-99A (with the extended basic cartridge and tape recorder drive). I built my own gaming machines with water cooling back in the mid 2000s, with overlocking and SLi vid cards, ran Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows NT, Windows Vista and Windows 7. I am, by far, not married to Apple.

But I absolutely love my MacBook Pro and my iPhone and iPad. Frankly, people should use whatever the hell they want to use. It doesn’t matter one bit to me what somebody uses as long as it works for them (aside from IE – nobody should ever use IE). And as much as I love Apple products (and I truly do), I generally don’t go around posting entries about why I hate some other system.

EDIT: BTW, I’ve owned about 10 PCs, including laptops, over the last decade and a half, and excluding servers I’ve owned/run. I’ve run Red Hat, Suse, and Debian for the most part, not to mention Ubuntu, and I particularly liked KDE back in the mid 2000s, as well as various Windows mentioned above. I probably went ten full years between Apple products from around 1996 to 2006 without having a single product from Apple, and I was very happy with what I had. But I still prefer Apple overall. And I don’t consider myself to be a sheep by any means.Shane Swanson – 2014-10-18 17:50:41-0400+Vishok G such a load of crap Michael Gonzalez – 2014-10-18 17:51:05-0400+Mark Railton ok what do you prefer to be called an Apple Fan boy or an iZombie?I – 2014-10-18 17:51:49-0400Zzzz flm JIG – 2014-10-18 18:06:12-0400I have to add that the iPhone is their most mediocre product. It is not a bad photo. However, it’s a little overpriced for what you get.Ichigo Uzumaki – 2014-10-18 18:06:34-0400+Keith Young you make very good points. I really don’t care what phone the next person uses, but when they try to talk bad about what I’m using is a different story. Their iphone might work for them but it won’t work for me. I just love when I prove them wrong…one good example, a friend of mine made fun of my Note 3 and what did he recently got when the iphone 6+ was released. Now the size is just right for him. I just looked at him and laughed. I couldn’t resist to let him know that his iphone 6+ has a slightly smaller display than mine and the overall size of the phone is bigger than the Note 3.. I aslo hate it when a certain company comes out saying that they have something new and make believe that no other company has been doing the same things years before them. I – 2014-10-18 18:22:00-0400+Ichigo Uzumaki the whole bezel crap is stupid any way. The 6 plus is good. 5.5 is good. Keith I Myers – 2014-10-18 18:37:44-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 18:39:32-0400+Buffy Lyon – True, pretending are no problems wont make them go away. 

+Gerard Guiterez -. In regards to Ownership… please answer this question “*Why does Apple restrict what you can and cannot install on an iPad or iPhone?*” It is like me selling you a car and saying that you cant have a person named Brian in the car with you.

Your statements about MicroUSB cables and Android Accessories being “cheap’ and low quality are complete horse sh!t. I have had over 2 dozen Android Devices and have never had one explode (I am an early adopter who used to do a lot of tech reviews). 

Your statements about iOS being more secure then Android is also flawed. Please read my earlier response (search for “Walled Garden”). If anything iOS gives users a false sense of security. TouchID has been defeated due to flaws on the lockscreen and there are other serious issues. Android 4.4.4 is quite secure and 5.0 introduces a lot of new security features that make it stand out.  Really, the only people who believe Apple products are more secure is Apple’s marketing department. Apple has had a LONG history of exploits, hence how a jailbreak is done. 

+Michael Murphy – You are somewhat correct, Blink is forked from WebKit but it is no longer WebKit. It would be the same as me calling the latest build of MacOS FreeBSD. Google is working on their own enhancements to WebKit.

+Martial Bachoffner – I am sorry for the confusion. This post was actually in regards to iOS, not the Apple desktop/laptops… yet.

+FLM JIG – Although I do personally feel that iOS devices are overpriced, I also personally have no problems paying a premium to have some cool things. For example, I have owned Google Glass for over a year and a half, the hardware is quite outdated (similar specs as the Samsung Galaxy Nexus but without the cell phone connection) but I gladly spent $1,500 for the unit. I – 2014-10-18 18:41:12-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 18:41:55-0400+Keith I Myers prevents piracy, spam, provides better user experience and reduce security flaws. good stuff.  iOS still more secure. Keith I Myers – 2014-10-18 18:46:40-0400+Gerard Guiterez – I am sorry but I cannot accept that answer as it does not answer my question.

If YOU own the device, why are you not allowed to install whatever you want on it ?

(Like a WiFi scanner for diagnostics)

By the same logic, You are not allowed to have anyone in your car named Brian as I once knew a Brian who likes to steal purses from old ladies, make prank calls and take money out of your wallet when not looking. I have to assume that all people named Brian are like this as well. I – 2014-10-18 18:51:05-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 18:51:47-0400+Keith I Myers when you buy any device it ask you to agreed to the usage agreement

If you don’t agreed with it do not buy it.

Your logic is idiotic.

You own the device. Not the software.

If you don’t like the software rules you jail brake it.

You still own the device. You can sell it if you want.

You can not sell iOS or ANDROID. So you don’t own android EITHER. Tom Hill – 2014-10-18 18:53:10-0400+Gerard Guiterez I’ve had no problems with my Nexus 5. IMHO its the best phone on the market. Not yet seen a phone anywhere near as good. Samsung – Touchwiz, urgh. Apple – outdated user interface made for 5 year olds.I – 2014-10-18 18:53:57-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-18 18:54:27-0400+Keith I Myers you do not own anything you can not sell

You can not own Xbox one OS,PS4 OS

You do own the hardware and you can sell that. 

Even windows you are buying a license to use it.

You do not own windows either. I – 2014-10-18 18:57:54-0400+Tom Hill then you should get the Nexus 6.

I don’t care what people use but some are misinform or hating for no real reason. It won’t matter what apple do a few people will always hate on themColin Shaw – 2014-10-18 19:22:20-0400+Gerard Guiterez get real how many bugs have you had over the last month.google is your friend,use it and find outI – 2014-10-18 19:23:56-0400+Colin Shaw Zero bugs at all. Colin Shaw – 2014-10-18 20:03:23-0400+Gerard Guiterez Misfire! Apple yanks botched iOS 8.0.1 update

UPDATED: Apple has issued a “workaround” for its most recent update to iOS 8 which aimed to fix issues like “unexpected cellular data usage” when receiving text messages.
From CNET. No bugs haha,just give up with your trolling,and jog on

I – 2014-10-18 20:04:46-0400+Colin Shaw I never had 8.0.1

And for those that did they fixed it in 4 hours. Not big deal. Colin Shaw – 2014-10-18 20:05:15-0400+Gerard Guiterez http://thenextweb.com/apple/2014/09/24/apple-pushes-ios-8-0-1-update-tackle-new-operating-system-bugs/I – 2014-10-18 20:06:29-0400+Colin Shaw hand pick useless articles. Fast response by Apple 4 hours later issues a new update. Google can’t even do that. B M – 2014-10-18 20:12:45-0400+Daniel Goller You just restored my faith in humanity. Thank you.I – 2014-10-18 20:18:27-0400+Pablo Arista wow lies out the ass. Pablo Arista – 2014-10-18 20:21:30-0400+Gerard Guiterez ignorance is bliss. I’m sure you also believe in the mythical Jesus because your pastor told you. Brian Peters – 2014-10-18 20:49:41-0400+Pablo Arista Personally, I don’t think Jesus was mythical. Rather, just a extraordinary person.
God is another story all together. Colin Shaw – 2014-10-18 20:54:55-0400+Gerard Guiterez omg you are one hell of a deluded fanboy you will not accept anything against apple with youPablo Arista – 2014-10-18 20:57:12-0400+Brian Peters, the authenticity is debatable, but that wasn’t my point.Richard Dixon – 2014-10-18 21:30:44-0400Very good read. On the other hand i get a kick out of all the apple this and android that. Who cares. To each their own. Stop acting like high school girls having a pissing contest! Grow up. Each has their ups amd downs. You dont like one, try another and so on! Rant over. Rei Alexandra – 2014-10-18 23:44:27-0400People use whatever they want to use. Having to defend the choice we make is flaw in the first place. I use what is suitable to me. You use whatever suitable to you. It is not a matter of who is right or who is wrong. Osman Nuhu – 2014-10-18 23:49:04-0400Brian Williams, The nexus line are far more superior than any iphone, with the nexus you don’t have to worry about any updates.玲杨 – 2014-10-18 23:49:13-0400Gross man throw away that apple nobody wht to see thatOsman Nuhu – 2014-10-19 00:05:51-0400+Vishok G you are the biggest idot, microsoft had the concept already and google were working on Android  before apple came out with the iphone.Osman Nuhu – 2014-10-19 00:08:38-0400+Frizen Yeh Well Said, Thank you.Stephen T Williams – 2014-10-19 00:30:44-0400Here for the commentsOsman Nuhu – 2014-10-19 00:42:47-0400+Gerard Guiterez How many houses have burnt down because of Android phones,even with the crapiest phone charger android phone never go bust,so now tell me which one is better?Keith I Myers – 2014-10-19 00:52:28-0400+Emperor Ethan Yeh…. Apple may want you to believe that but it is not true. Osman Nuhu – 2014-10-19 01:08:34-0400+Gerard Guiterez you are a sucker and you actually don’t have anything sensible to say. Stop calling people names and be reasonable and honest with yourself. You seem to be empty headed that’s why you don’t get it.DLAROC – 2014-10-19 01:20:07-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-19 01:21:43-0400How are you gonna call someone an idiot and then tell someone else they shouldn’t call people names? Lmfao. This comment thread is hilarious. Arguing over damn phones. People can’t have a decent argument long before name calling comes out. Idiot, moron, dipshit, ass clown, dick face, bitch, cunt, retard, stupid, douche, dumb ass, or dummy (someone once called me dumby) The list goes on.Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-19 01:37:04-0400+Emperor Ethan Then how come my newest Android phone, the one I bought since last January, and despite opening it to installing apps from outside, hasn’t faced a virus to this day? Even if it was on Android 4.1.2?

Meanwhile on your side, iCloud got a beating…Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-19 01:40:54-0400+Mark Railton As someone else told you, the iPhone is one handset. Just like the Nexus he told you about. Therefore, argument invalid. The only difference is that iOS is made from and only for the maker’s devices while Android is made from the maker and for the maker and other third party makers. Staying on the Nexus line, which is Google’s iPhone, is probably the best and closest experience to iPhone in terms of Android, if Samsung isn’t up to the task (though they are for me!).Javier G. – 2014-10-19 01:54:03-0400LOL, people hating inanimate objects..Phil Nolan – 2014-10-19 02:46:24-0400The thing about blocking apps is that Google will do it to protect the users. apple will do that too but also for their own nefarious reasons.  For example the OnLive app worked perfectly many gaming reporters tried it on ipads and wrote about it. Yet it was never released in the app store. Why? Because there’s no way for apple to make any money from the game sales. So users are prevented from enjoying a great app just because apple doesn’t want them to have it.Yash Trivedi – 2014-10-19 03:49:01-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-19 03:52:18-0400If you hate android (Google) plz don’t use G+ or any of its other services Luke YouTube in the first place…

Ever heard of HTC one m7/m8 or the nexus interface … The best and the most smoothest among UI’s in android

Also Apple still doesn’t have a waterproof model … Or a curved screen 

LG G Flex Review: http://youtu.be/i6G-7ZlYqm8

Apart from that features like Swype,Google Wallet and phones bigger than 5 inches were available from a long time on Android

Shunning Android for its UI is a completely outdated reason as they have really evolved to give the best of software
Also ios made not to report crashes to the user happening in the phone…
Whereas Android submits a report

Plus we don’t need to root for everything … Many things can be worked for free without touching the root

Apple is still a dual core cpu with 1 gb ram selling phones (unlocked ) till $600-$900 


These guys told NFC was not useful and passbook was everything… 


Why that addition now then??

And I feel sorry for Apple losing out its common sense 

iPhone 5 – TV Ad – Thumb – Commercial: http://youtu.be/O99m7lebirE



#innovationends #withsteve 

Where’s the innovation now @Apple ?? 

Leszek Dziędziewicki – 2014-10-19 03:50:32-0400+Vishok G compare Windows 1.0 in 1982 and Mac OS in 1984.
Some history : In 1975, Gates and Allen form a partnership called Microsoft.

The dawn of MS‑DOS
In June 1980, Gates and Allen hire Gates’ former Harvard classmate Steve Ballmer to help run the company. Microsoft focuses on a new operating system—the software that manages, or runs, the computer hardware and also serves to bridge the gap between the computer hardware and programs, such as a word processor. It’s the foundation on which computer programs can run. They name their new operating system “MS‑DOS.”

When the IBM PC running MS‑DOS ships in 1981, it introduces a whole new language to the general public. Typing “C:” and various cryptic commands gradually becomes part of daily work. People discover the backslash () key.

MS‑DOS is effective, but also proves difficult to understand for many people. There has to be a better way to build an operating system
1982 – Introduction of Windows 1.0

For comparison :

On January 24, 1984, Apple Computer Inc. (now Apple Inc.) introduced the Macintosh personal computer.The operating system of early Macintosh is named “System Software” or “System”, and its ensuing series was later renamed to Mac OSafter System 7.
Doesn’t look like Windows wouldn’t exist without Apple. Each time when somebody corrects Apple enthusiast they response is simple – ” you are Apple hater..”
Stuie Bedubie – 2014-10-19 04:58:33-0400+prashant krishna shrestha  SSHHHhhh:
you’ll wake up the mindless masses”””Joseba Mendivil – 2014-10-19 05:25:53-0400I didn’t through all the comments, but I think that not all the Apple products are hateful. In fact I’d say the only product from Apple that I hate is iOS, so I don’t like any device that uses it. But the computers are great, overpriced but great. OS X is really good, way better than Windows, but worse than Linux tho.

iOS is the real problem here. And not only for users as you don’t own the device and the UI is horrible and unintuitive but also for developers. They talk about the fragmentation on Android, but the first Android app I made was a game for 1.5 and it still works without any problem in 4.4. The same with every app I have made for Android and I know I won’t have to change a line of code for my apps to work on Android 5.0. The two apps that I made for iOS7 didn’t work in iOS8 out of the box. I had to change a few things so I could get location, notifications and some special SSL handling that I do back and also the alerts without title looked horrible in iOS8 so I had to change that too.

But not only I had to adapt the apps for working for iOS8, but the methods for it to work on iOS8 would make it crash on iOS7 without failing the build, so there is no way you’d know that unless you test it on an iOS7 device, which BTW, once you update to iOS8 you can’t downgrade, so I had to use the simulator to test that I worked, but the simulator doesn’t support push notifications, so I couldn’t test that bit…

I still don’t understand why so many people love iPhones, the OS is shit. I hate my iPhone, which by the way is a 4S running iOS8 and is damn slow even though I only use it for development. My Galaxy Nexus is running 4.4.4 and it works just like the first day.

About the security thing… both OS are the same, with their exploits and so, but it is true tho that iOS might be more secure because the user can’t do nothing, meanwhile in Android the user can do anything they want, and everyone knows that the less secure element of a system is the user.

People say it is easier to use, but many people don’t know how to use their iPhone, they don’t even know how to kill an app. The thing is that in iOS everything that is not basic is hidden, so the users don’t get scared.

Then comes the fragmentation. If you say that iOS is better because there is no fragmentation (which there is, and quite painful for the developers as I said before), then you are saying that you don’t mind to stick to one device, so you could say there is no fragmentation in Android either, as the Nexus devices get the update the first day and have updates during at least 2 years. With the difference that you can choose between not having fragmentation or a variety of devices with different sizes and shapes that could satisfy better you needs.Jaromír Šír – 2014-10-19 05:46:54-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-19 05:49:23-0400+Keith I Myers what I dislike about Apple (not their products, but the company – I actually love the default GUI of OS X) is that they are lying. One only needs to view any video from WWDC or the recent iPad/iMac announcement. The amount of “the only”, “the best” etc. is amazing. And yet in many cases those sentences simply lie.

Yes, their 5K All-in-one display is amazing (and costs the same (2500$ basic) with pc components inside for what Dell is planning to sell just their display), but no, 4K displays do not cost 3000$. Perhaps a year ago, but not now. One can get a crappy 4K for 500$ (admittedly not IPS) and IPS ones for say 1000$ (more or less depending on quality).

Same with the NFC and app walled garden. One should be able to install any application as they wish or we end in a sad future.

Also I have got to say that really anytime I saw a post get to “Hot” the comments (at least some) become toxic.Lars – 2014-10-19 06:18:42-0400Ur totally right, I think exactly the same way, I mean, who would pay 2500$ for an iMac, whose parts are only worth 1000$? Example:
27” version: i5 4×3.4 GHz 8GB DDR-3, GT 750 M.

I have built my computer out of the following parts: i5- 4670K (k is important for overclocking) running @ 4.0 H
GHz, 8GB DDR-3, EVGA GTX 750 ti OC for 600-700$ all together (including mainboard and stuff) so, why would you pay 3x the price you would have to pay? Just for a bitten apple on the backside and a few thunderbolts? Meh.Peter Peters – 2014-10-19 06:56:08-0400+Albert Peña the problem is developers think this too and start to be lax in their own apps.Shreyas Meher – 2014-10-19 07:10:10-0400I have both android and iOS devices, and I like both of them. This ‘hate’ needs to stop. Buy what you want to buy, and stop judging other people on their choices. Kim Reddick – 2014-10-19 08:01:17-0400Dat a bad appleGouthum Karadi – 2014-10-19 08:28:16-0400It comes down to the overall user experience, it is not an “iPhone to XYZ HW” comparison, but an “Apples to Samsung/Google/Sony” comparison.  The whole experience of utilizing the ecosystem is the reason that people generally go with Apple.  As an engineer I run Linux, Windows and OSX.  For my phones I usually use Nexus and iPhone.Kim Reddick – 2014-10-19 08:29:34-0400Bored happy sundayKim Reddick – 2014-10-19 08:40:44-0400Thank uRobert Johnson – 2014-10-19 09:03:49-0400???
Opera and Chrome have used WebKit, or a recent fork of WebKit – on all platforms – for years (Opera) or forever (Chrome)

The control difference between Google and Apple these days is a mere matter of degree and methods. Don’t delude yourself.Kim Reddick – 2014-10-19 09:25:52-0400Good morningPer Larsen – 2014-10-19 09:40:06-0400+Brian Williams I have an ipod 4 and an ipad 1 they don’t get upgrades. And what’s even worse is that I can’t install any new applications because app store require new software version, and old versions crashes all the time. As my laptop crashed too, I lost all the music on my ipod. Never again I will buy an Apple product. Zhen Hong – 2014-10-19 10:18:08-0400One of the convenience: Dat ability to copy mp3 files directly to the Music folder and set as ringtone. #AndroidFTWDarwin Dela Rosa – 2014-10-19 10:26:13-0400Well said. And here’s my experience.

I’ve used Android since Eclair (2.0). It was an “okay” experience but I didn’t like the overall OS. Then the iPhone 3G S came out so gave it a shot, and hell it was a great experience! I said to myself that I would never go back to Android ever again; I loved my iPhone to death. After several months, the limitations of the iPhone started to piss me off. Like when you connect it to your computer, does it really need iTunes in order to copy/paste files? Doesn’t have an option to delete multiple SMS threads, bluetooth file sharing can’t be done, and even downloading a simple file from the browser, you can’t do it. Basic tasks like that SHOULD BE mandatory for every smartphone.

I also tried Windows Phone (Lumia 800) because I said to myself that I won’t go back to Android, same situation from iOS, locked down (but less than iOS) and very terrible Marketplace.

Fast forward to 2014, I’m back to Android, I’m using the Nexus 5. And I must say, Android covered a lot of ground since Eclair. Loving how KitKat works on my Nexus 5, just waiting for Lollipop update to give my Nexus a brand new feel and experience.

It’s not that I hate Apple devices. It’s how Apple drives the OS that I don’t like.Forgotten One – 2014-10-19 10:37:18-0400+Emperor Ethan AFAIK, the vast majority of Android users use the Play store and don’t really install apps from other places on risky sites. The ones that do are usually the ones who’d flash a custom ROM and know what they are getting into with stuff like that.Carlos Natividad – 2014-10-19 11:16:47-0400Adware, virus, trojans, ransomware, botnets, backdoor services, root kits, inconsistent user interfaces, unreliable features from custom roms, inconsistent app crashes…just a few things you can expect from Android. This from a long time dev, enthusiast,owner of a G1, Nexus 1, Galaxy S3, S4, Moto G, Note 2, Note 3, Nexus 4, and currently Nexus 5. Although Apple isn’t perfect theres no need to hate, Android isn’t any better…don’t compare Apples to Oranges. My kids iPad 2 have been running strong and outlasted the usability of any of my Android devices to date.Kim Reddick – 2014-10-19 11:18:29-0400Well good for u happy sundayPooka Mustard – 2014-10-19 11:32:28-0400+Emperor Ethan I’ve been to many sites with APKs and surely no virus. If you still worry about the outside, turn off the external app installation checkbox and you have a safer environment, as safe as iOS.

Nope, it had to do with Apple not putting a limit to the password input tries. Nude photos aren’t the only possible candidate for such a leakage. Other personal data could have been affected. But still, Apple failed to implement a password attempts limit… whereas in Android Gingerbread, I still remember having to use the Google account when I maxed the pattern retries… ouch.Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-19 11:36:00-0400Looks like some kid may have blocked me… but who cares.Forgotten One – 2014-10-19 12:12:51-0400+Carlos Natividad Hopefully in the future the OEMs and Google make sure that such a user experience doesnt have to happen (they’ve been improving so far).Kevin Clyburn – 2014-10-19 12:21:26-0400The only thing stopping me from using android is the Apps. I have a iPhone 5 that my friend passed down to me and I love it. Im aware that iOS has limitations but I found ways around that, even if I need to jailbreak. I’ve been doing that since iOS 3.

I thought about buying the Nexus 9 (I don’t need another smartphone) but android doesn’t have the same amount of apps that Apple’s app store has. I only have 80% of my apps that I bought from iOS on my wish list on Google’s Play Store. Once I’m finished finding all the apps I need, then I’ll consider joining Android. Nexus 9, iPhone 5, Windows PC ✨😄✨Art – 2014-10-19 12:24:42-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-19 12:27:34-0400the only difference is Apple is up front with all their stuff, they like to hang on to their customers where android/google tends to hide hidden costs, services and what you Can’t do, and they don’t car because you are hooked into their playful marketing and end up going to a different phone manufacturer but still on android systems which leads to, well copy and paste all over againMichael Hebo – 2014-10-19 12:36:51-0400+Brian Peters – I bought a very expensive MBP only to have major issues with it. cdrom died, battery died, graphics card died, harddisk died. All within a few years. Meanwhile my thinkpad from the 90’s is still going strong (although slow) without every having any issues.

In my experience Apple has overpriced products with poor quality. I say this after having problems with several ipods, iphone, mbp, mighty mouse, ipad, yeah, basically every Apple product I’ve ever owned.

Maybe I’ve just been unlucky with the certain models I got, but I’m done with Apple for good, that’s for sure. I’ve given them another chance again and again, but I’ve always got disappointed.Plautus Satire – 2014-10-19 12:55:17-0400What’s the “etc” after google play, amazonArt – 2014-10-19 13:02:33-0400HATERS WILL HATE Art – 2014-10-19 13:19:29-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-19 14:04:05-0400who’s this god you speak of, does he pitch for the Giants? because we have faith in the SF Giants  😛Charles-A Rovira – 2014-10-19 13:37:01-0400I’d rather have some thing that all works together superbly (and for a long time [I have a vintage 2001 PowerBook G4 lit up and serving files to my immediate right.]) You’re just offering a pile of crap parts that may or may not work after I spend entirely too much time trying. +Keith, don’t take it the wrong way, but I have things to get done and a wife to have sex with, so you can just go jerk yourself off with sandpaper.Kim Reddick – 2014-10-19 13:39:01-0400I like the iphone sixPooka Mustard – 2014-10-19 13:44:51-0400+Charles-A Rovira Meanwhile, dad’s G4 is too damn broken to even boot. Same for another Apple laptop of his. You are just lucky, but they are unstable as hell. Also the last part is too damn unnecessary. Please, your Macs are all made out of crap but overpriced parts…Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-19 13:46:32-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-19 13:47:21-0400+Tanky Star I thought that the apps you need are already available on Android, just in less quantities? Because that’s how the Play Store looks like now.

No, the reason why you can’t switch to Android is because simply you are stuck to their app ecosystem and have bought stuff in it. That’s why. It doesn’t have to do with 20% less apps or anything.Kim Reddick – 2014-10-19 13:48:11-0400What the best phone u likeShelton Lee – 2014-10-19 14:30:42-0400I have an android phone, and an iPad. What you said are very true, and it is great that you can install apps from anywhere, and they can do much more, and apple restricts how the applications are made. However, I can tell you that by owning both android phone and an iPad, and also owning multiple android tablets before, the app quality of iOS is still MILES ahead, in terms of design, at least. It’s seriously mind blowing. If go on apple App store, and check out featured apps and list of popular apps, the apps looks SO nice, they are seriously beautiful. At least most of them. I check the featured apps and list of top apps on Google Play Store, and it’s still very disappointing. Sure there are more tablet apps than before, but the design, and the use of screen real estate just fails a lot of times. I’m thinking this is due to the long and narrow 16:10 aspect ratio, that the contents can’t be displayed very practically, except for some developers who figure out how to. Now that we have 4:3 Nexus 9, maybe it will get better. As much as I want to switch back to Android tablet because of the amazing customizations, icon packs, openness, etc, whenever I check out the app quality of Android, I just can’t switch, at least yet. I love the material design, and if many apps utilize the design language in the future, it will definitely improve the quality of Android apps.Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-19 14:33:46-0400+Shelton Lee I best most apps will jump on the Material design if you care about design. Me however, I don’t really understand what’s with the “it looks better on iOS” talk. I care about functionality more than looks, even if Android apps look good already.Christiaan Westerbeek – 2014-10-19 14:40:20-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-19 19:41:00-0400To those who claim never to go back to Android again. Was it a Nexus you tried or soms ugly/clumsy/sluggish UI rework done by manufacturers like Samsung? If your case is the latter, give Android another shot using the former. It’s – so – much – better now with Nexus.Charles-A Rovira – 2014-10-19 14:42:47-0400+Pooka Mustard The difference is quite simple. What do you want for your money? A product or a parts list? When your parents bought their first TV set did they buy a Heath Kit or did they pony up the money for a complete working TV set. Stop thinking that Apple is selling parts. Its selling the entire TV set. You don’t like that go build your own, but stop bitching and STFU.Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-19 14:46:01-0400+Charles-A Rovira Yeah, I should stop bitching cause Android is a full product and not a part. Nope, I’m not gonna STFU just because a random internet stranger told me so. Deal with it.Charles-A Rovira – 2014-10-19 14:58:13-0400+Pooka Mustard I have deal with it, you will never darken my stream again.Rod Martin – 2014-10-19 15:00:57-0400You won’t have GPS spoofing in Ingress on an iOS device.  Take that for what it is worth. The fact Google allows so many cheating apps is bothersome and is very bad for the gaming community.Keith I Myers – 2014-10-19 15:04:18-0400+Plautus Satire – There are a few other lesser known Android App Stores including the Barnes and Noble App Store, Mobogenie, GetJar, SlideMe, AppsZoom, HumbleBundle, IndieBundle, Yandex, AppsLib as well as reagionalized app stores and carrier app stores. There is even a Nokia store for their Android X line.  All of which sell apps legally.

Of course, there are also sites that give away pirated content, not something I can support.  

I personally only use the Google Play Store and the Amazon App Stores.I also tend to download APKs from +APK Mirror because I cant always wait for Google to bless me with the OTA updates.Rod Martin – 2014-10-19 15:08:47-0400I do not know about jail breaking though so maybe you can install things that way? I doubt it though.Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-19 15:09:51-0400+Charles-A Rovira Do whatever is in your power, I don’t care.Keith I Myers – 2014-10-19 15:14:21-0400+Rodney Martin – I do understand about using GPS Spoofing to beat Ingress however this is simply due to people taking advantage of a feature designed to help developers create applications that use the GPS. I DO NOT support Google locking down the GPS (again, its something you own). 

What needs to happen is Ingress needs to add some code to their application to try to weed out a few of these users, An example of which would be to see if there is an active ADB connection or to detect abnormal GPS changes.The031Gamer – 2014-10-19 15:35:44-0400I don’t know why you all make a big deal about this shit really, I have an apple and I know the samsungs are better but I choose to buy Apple as its my preference, if you like android go for it and if you don’t then don’t talk about how shit it is because then you showing that you care enough to bring it down.Rod Martin – 2014-10-19 16:29:03-0400+Keith I Myers my point was with iOS though you would and do not have cheating like this.  Because android is so open it allows it. Allowing Apps that that mess with or emulate hardware such as GPS in the phone is just plain dumb IMHO. I mean look at the yesterdays Anomaly.  It was won by bots from what I read. Developers can access the GPS information on the iPhone just fine btw.  Just can not spoof it for other apps.Rod Martin – 2014-10-19 16:30:32-0400The irony is that Google developed Ingress and its own open system is ruining it.Ryan Evans – 2014-10-19 16:47:54-0400+Rodney Martin oh my god! people are cheating on a mobile game! What’s the cash prize?
What… it isn’t for money…? so… we’re getting worked up about a game that is purely for fun?

wtf has this world come toJacob Hill – 2014-10-19 17:01:27-0400I think its hilarious that, even though this man was rational and well thought, Apple fanboys are calling him a blind fanboy. Did you guys even read past the first paragraph?Devin Scheuneman – 2014-10-19 17:57:53-0400Reading this on…. My +BlackBerry z30 Fel Iron – 2014-10-19 18:40:00-0400Apple people are funny, they’re like “iBend over for Apple” they love that shit like it was crack, they’ll buy that crap no matter what, it’s like they’re hypnotized or something.Plautus Satire – 2014-10-19 19:07:03-0400+Keith I Myers you forgot f-droidKeith I Myers – 2014-10-19 19:41:21-0400+Plautus Satire – There are way too many to count, I was just listing a few off of the top of my head.

+Ben Micael Dven – Buying phones on contract is really only popular in the US and is a practice that is going out of style. I personally like to purchase my phones outright (unlocked). This way I can upgrade when I want and sell my old phone when I switch. I also have the freedom to switch carriers and keep my phone. It also helps if I decide to travel overseas, I just need to swap my SIM card.  I also hate to break it for you, but Verizon does not absorb those costs, they just pass it back to you and make it sound like a deal, even though you are technically paying more. Hector Lopez – 2014-10-19 20:01:18-0400+Armando Ferreira Some one is a copycat here.Rod Martin – 2014-10-19 20:26:58-0400+Ryan Evans I was using Ingress as an example of the flaw with such an open os as Android. And again the irony is its developed by Google. Let’s face it gaming on mobile is a huge market and since the android os is so open for hacks, cheats, etc is one large reason why iphone and iPad still own the market. Same goes for other app markets as well. As a developer, I prefer the more secure environment like iOS. Eventually you are probably going see more developers leave the android market. And please do not blame the developers for this. Keith I Myers – 2014-10-19 20:36:40-0400+Hector Lopez – Who? Badong Tagalog – 2014-10-19 22:39:20-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-19 22:44:09-0400Why hate? Just buy what you want nobody forcing you to buy apple products.Badong Tagalog – 2014-10-19 22:51:08-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-19 22:58:44-0400+Aleksandar Nikoloski is that an opinion? Dont be dumb support your claim with factsDavid ramo – 2014-10-19 22:52:52-0400+Darryl Doak you do know that applies to any phone you get on contact, right?David ramo – 2014-10-19 22:53:40-0400Where are people getting android phones off contract for cheap?David ramo – 2014-10-19 22:58:37-0400^^this guy ^^Badong Tagalog – 2014-10-19 23:07:24-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-19 23:29:04-0400+Aleksandar Nikoloski no offense dude but your comment is dumb and brainless you cannot even justify your comments . You are a sheep believing that with 2014 tech is quad core, 2g of ram that easily beaten by a “2010” dual core hardware with 1g of ram. And a finger print scanner that doesn’t work consistently compared to a fluid and consistent 2010 finger print scanner.David ramo – 2014-10-19 23:09:51-0400Could you possibly make any less sense?Badong Tagalog – 2014-10-19 23:22:53-0400Poor +Aleksandar NikoloskiDave Haynie – 2014-10-19 23:31:37-0400Yes.Badong Tagalog – 2014-10-19 23:59:49-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-20 00:16:38-0400Awts. Look at how big his forehead full of brainDan K – 2014-10-20 00:14:03-0400″Hot and Recommended” lolMC FLY – 2014-10-20 03:50:36-0400Apple isn’t for everyone 😣Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-20 05:41:10-0400+Mark Chance I don’t get it. If you don’t like what anyone writes about, don’t read it. Did you forget about something called freedom of speech? Oh wait, you did? People are free to write about things they like and don’t like, end of story. Its up to you to either agree or disagree. Was that hard to understand?Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-20 06:03:40-0400+Mark Chance Okay. You said you wouldn’t and don’t understand the need to. Others would love to write about it and others also understand the need. In this case, the OP clarifies why he doesn’t like Apple products. I know what he wanted to say and understood why he said it, if you don’t understand it or know it, you don’t have to pester the comments.Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-20 06:10:17-0400+Mark Chance I said you “don’t have to,” not “get outta here.”

Either way, we are going nowhere with this.Nick Clarke – 2014-10-20 07:03:22-0400I agree with the points your made. I would also add that Apple have an almost childish approach to bugs where they will not even admit that they exist despite thousands of users complaining online.

Those are exactly the reasons that made me try android and it suits me much better.

In the end Apple are a very good hardware maker but only so-so at software and rather poor at online services. Hemanta Sapkota – 2014-10-20 07:12:07-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-20 07:13:21-0400+Nick Clarke Spot on Nick. To add to that, things are worse if you’re developing apps for IOS. Try uploading your app build to the app store. Chances are it’ll never work the first time. Heck it’s so bad, they have a separate app for OSX called Application Loader for uploading to app store. Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-20 07:57:57-0400+Nick Clarke Apple won’t admit their faults even if you had pics of 133 bent iPhones out of the reported 9. Worse, their problems are always elaborately hidden by their fanbois, so they have an even better disguise to go under.

http://www.oneofthenine.com/Richard Wehling – 2014-10-20 09:01:17-0400#Androidtroll #novalue Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-20 09:29:46-0400+Richard Wehling Well, what’s the value to your post, actually? If his post really had no value, then you have -9001 value. Sorry, but this is the acceptable truth.Richard Wehling – 2014-10-20 09:41:13-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-20 09:42:53-0400+Pooka Mustard (possible troll ? Name?) I do that so you can filter out the troll posts that make it to the what’s hot in Google . :). Just my opinion .Hana Shidqia – 2014-10-20 10:37:52-0400????Keith I Myers – 2014-10-20 10:40:56-0400Just a FYI – I am going to be working on a part 2 this week to address a few points I missed and clarify my thoughts. Badong Tagalog – 2014-10-20 11:05:37-0400Speaking of bent phone here it is

http://www.slashgear.com/galaxy-note-4-bend-test-disputes-samsungs-claims-09349893/Kevin Jackson – 2014-10-20 11:26:27-0400Good thing Softcard changed their name. ISIS 😉 Connor Fesenmaier – 2014-10-20 12:33:43-0400+Keith I Myers You make a lot of good points. I am not fond of Apple either. It bothers me that I can go into any store and find a thousand iPhone cases and nothing else when Apple only controls such a small portion of the worlds market. Rod Martin – 2014-10-20 12:52:16-0400I do find it funny that people on here trying to say iphone hardware is out dated. It’s GPU scores destroy the competition. Even the 5s GPU scores beat most. The A8 (and the older A7) is one powerful chip. But with that said, iOS is why I prefer Apple mobile products… the hardware is just a plus IMHO. Sure Apple sometimes take their time adopting new standards. But I am kinda glad they do as they wait til all the quirks are worked out.Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-20 14:21:49-0400+Richard Wehling I think the troll post in question that made it to the what’s hot is yours, kiddo. Filtering out results? How pathetic. You call a piece of legit iOS critique a troll post. Can’t handle the system being dethroned, can you?Remy De la Cruz – 2014-10-20 14:57:41-0400Well said.Colin Shaw – 2014-10-20 15:33:29-0400Please close this thread now.its getting boring Bobby Sahijram-Dansingani – 2014-10-20 15:40:14-0400Perfectly said!Ergin – 2014-10-20 15:41:49-0400Andorid is quantity
Apple is quantity & quality…
If you’re better then anyone else, you’ll always have haters…
<the_end> Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-20 15:47:27-0400+Adriaan Pretorius but when was creating a device that is pretty to own and a joy to have like a status symbol, become the purpose of a phone either?

Nope, Apple’s things ain’t THAT simple. I was able to delve into Android easily. Windows Phone was just as easy to get into. iOS on the other hand… Oh god the troubles in finding the WiFi toggle. Or quitting the app without using the home button (no surprise entering Android with that idea is bad).

It is sub par. Android phones now are becoming statuses, look just as pretty and are easy to use. And cheaper.

What’s weird is that they ARE competing with 2014 Samsung with their 2011 hardware.Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-20 15:54:26-0400+Ergin Hasani facepalm
Reality is…
Android is quantity & quality.
iOS is none of these. Low market share and generally bad OS. And overpriced.

Your haters are forcing you to change, but you don’t accept it.Sebastián Uribe – 2014-10-20 17:21:04-0400I also hate Apple Luis Hernandez – 2014-10-20 17:23:42-0400poor fanboys that are stuck with only one option because of their hate towards Apple…. just like the fanboys of game consoles…  i have mac and pc, i have an iPhone and an HTC that i use for emergencies and also have ps4 and xbox one… why? cus nothing is perfect! i just take the good on everything … simple as that… and by the way… WINDOWS runs way better on MAC than on a PC. My MacPro Intel first Gen (dual xeons 3ghz, 12gb ram, 1gb ATI video and 2tb HDD) runs windows practically the same way as my work PC ( i7 3.5ghz, 32gb ram, 4gb video, 500gb SSD)….. Again, there is no doubt that Apple isnt perfect cus is not but it is like Dr. Pepper ( is not for everyone ) is mostly for US movie makers and multimedia gurus,  yes they went and market for every one now but they arent forcing people to buy it…. you buy what you like. IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT DON’T BUY IT as simple as that  🙂Dan Paddock – 2014-10-20 17:31:07-0400My phone works for me. Your phone works for you. Do we really need to go any further than that? #PhoneTribalismIsWeird  Steve Barnhart – 2014-10-20 17:41:32-0400I just wanted removable storage that is were I stopped with the iPhone and iPads/ipods.oscar salguero – 2014-10-20 18:04:46-0400i m 100% agreed. i own a note 3. my phone. Dave Kali – 2014-10-20 20:24:36-0400Lol you hate apple enough to write an whole essay?Adreana Langston – 2014-10-20 20:26:09-0400When the IPhone first came out it was only on ATT, the mobile provider I had just dropped and vowed never to use again because of poor call quality.  By the time the IPhone was availalbe on other mobile providers Father Time had given me reading glasses for one of my post 39 birthdays. A bigger screen for which I did not need my reading glasses just to use the phone was paramount. Now that IPhone has come out with a larger screen my eyes have gotten so bad that I have already resigned myself to the fact that my next phone will, in fact, be a phablet like The Note 4.  It seems that Apple phones are always just behind my consumer needs.  That said, I still LOVE and consistently use my IPod Classic.  For sturdiness-after-being-dropped it beats any phone hands down.  It also beats any phone for battery power.  At the gym, on the metro, plugged into my mobile speaker for a day at the park, my IPod Classic is my go-to device.Keith I Myers – 2014-10-20 20:26:46-0400+Dave Kali – I am working on a book deal as we speak :). It should be a 3 part bookDave Kali – 2014-10-20 20:27:23-0400On how you hate apple products?!Keith I Myers – 2014-10-20 20:28:57-0400+Dave Kali – I was joking, I could likely write a long essay but a book is overkill.Veer Obhan – 2014-10-20 20:46:25-0400I understand what you say, but that enclosure is what makes me buy a apple phone, I’ve had bad experiences with Android phones not working because of downloading an app and installing it. But the safety of apple makes me like it and the software is soo much smoother, and accprding to all of the benchmarking test apps my phone is superior in all ways compared to Android phones Brent Gaskey – 2014-10-20 21:08:22-0400+Albert Peña hence the leak of the iCloud. Yep, Amazingly secure device you have there. Sorry, but you’ve been sold a very expensive lie.LaJuan Hughes – 2014-10-20 21:21:17-0400+Veer Obhan how do you blame the product when you downloaded the the app. You could have deleted the app. I keep saying there should a be a smartphone test. Dave Kali – 2014-10-20 21:22:40-0400Icloud leak? Or weak passwords?Brent Gaskey – 2014-10-20 21:27:30-0400As much as I hate apple, I steer a lot of people to them, like my parents, or people who just aren’t technology savvy. I think of it this way; iphones are like a toaster- meant to look nice, and do one thing, make toast. Toast of the exact size that fits in that exact toaster.

An android or Windows phone, are much more open, much like an oven. You can still make toast, but you can also bake the bread, or turkey for that matter. Dave Kali – 2014-10-20 22:23:04-0400And download lots of malware and such…Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-20 23:38:35-0400+Dave Kali lol you love Apple enough you have to defend it by saying that he wrote an essay about it?Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-20 23:39:57-0400+Luis Hernandez Windows can’t run better on a system its not made or tailored for. If anything its a discorrect combination of parts that makes you think so.Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-20 23:40:44-0400+Dave Kali same old and outdated malware excuse to not using Android (spoiler alert: they’re so damn rare now), moving on.Andrew L. – 2014-10-21 02:42:21-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-21 02:43:56-0400That’s why we can call them iPhone users, not owners. There are several things you can’t do with an iPhone. It’s stupid if you think that only now, iOS 8, 7 years later, they can use third party keyboards!
Even batteries, you need to use Apple services/supplies to change. Sadly, some Android phones too, but it was Apple’s fault.
Another things like never saying exactly how much memory or changing the processor name to an A#, or this stupid Retina label for an inferior display in matters of ppi.
2014 and the iPhone speakers are mono!! Badong Tagalog – 2014-10-21 02:53:57-0400Virus is not really an excuse but a reality this report couple of months ago

http://betanews.com/2014/08/04/research-claims-nearly-one-in-ten-android-apps-is-malware/Badong Tagalog – 2014-10-21 06:05:52-0400Why you need to know the memory? Leave it to the engrs and system designer. Leave the system to manage its memory. You buy the phone because you want yo use it not to familiarize the specs. And same can be said to android, this stupid ram and quad core cpu performs similarly or even beaten by a dual core cpuVeer Obhan – 2014-10-21 09:04:50-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-21 09:06:07-0400Because of the mallware is why I moved to apples side, the side with cookies and faster softwareVeer Obhan – 2014-10-21 09:05:49-0400+LaJuan Hughes it just took over the phone and something in the screen kept popping up Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-21 09:09:27-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-21 09:50:04-0400+Badong Tagalog Have you read the article itself? It said it comes from untrusted third party app stores.

…although the majority of the blame (as ever) lies with dodgy third-party app stores particularly in Asia.

Sticking with the trusted app store also known as Google Play Store, along with other trusted app stores such as Amazon’s and Samsung’s won’t get you infected that easily. Consider yourself safe if you act like you’re in the Apple side and can only have apps from Google Play.Andrew L. – 2014-10-21 09:16:16-0400You’re buying a physical product made of memory and processors, you need to know why you’re paying $600 and not $150. And, if the company is not saying the real name or the real amount of memory, it’s easier to sell you a thing that doesn’t exist. Today Android screens, Nexus 5 for example, are better than iPhone ones. But they sell it as Retina and Retina HD. LaJuan Hughes – 2014-10-21 09:40:59-0400+Veer Obhan how long ago was that. And where did you download it from. Badong Tagalog – 2014-10-21 09:51:51-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-21 10:32:55-0400When you buy a phone ram and cpu doesn’t matter. What matters most is – “does it deliver”.. After all your expectation for a phone is the consistency of performance overtime not the specs. Thats what you paid for. The problem with most users, they focused on specs advertisements rather on real performance. Dual core cpu with 1g of ram just perform or even better than a quad core cpu with 2g of ram. The reality is clear yet we refuse to believe in it.

Advertisements on retina and whatever it is are “laymans” term to non-tech users. They sell phones to everybody and numbers are useless if users cant understand. Imagine you go to the store and you ask the sales lady if they sell “mangifera indica” (binomial name for mango). How would a sales lady understand you.Badong Tagalog – 2014-10-21 09:57:40-0400+Pooka Mustard did you understand “majority”? It means that minority is in the playstore.. Still you get viruses on the playstore Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-21 10:25:27-0400+Badong Tagalog When you do get viruses on the Play Store, they are immediately removed from there, seeing its operated by Google. Then again, the apps that are going to infect you in the Play Store are dodgy ones that don’t get to last a day there, or has bad ratings.

Still, you mentioned the article to prove that there are viruses on Android that are way rampant. YOU forgot to mention where they come from. Here’s your issue.Badong Tagalog – 2014-10-21 10:30:49-0400+Pooka Mustard as long as it gets through the playstore, its an issue. LaJuan Hughes – 2014-10-21 10:49:53-0400In four years I have never had a virus. But i only download from trusted sites. Play store and amazon. I was check out a app called app lister and I found out I had over 350 app I figured I had a problem. To many app I did use very often. Keith I Myers – 2014-10-21 10:52:00-0400I have been using Android for over 5 years and have never had a virus. Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-21 10:53:41-0400+Badong Tagalog Good. But this issue won’t last long enough either, and it won’t be on a legitimate app.Sergio Velasco – 2014-10-21 15:37:58-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-21 15:39:11-0400+Brian Williams Why didnt you just purchased a nexus phone. They get immediate updates. Android is much better than Iphones in hundreds if not thousands of ways. All apple users can say is that they have a better overall experience with the software.
However, nowadays starting with iOS 7, iPhones are almost as jittery and crashy as any android phone.Veer Obhan – 2014-10-21 16:47:30-0400+LaJuan Hughes that was like 4 years ago and it was the google play storeVeer Obhan – 2014-10-21 16:48:31-0400And i hate how you cant upgrade to newer versions of the OS for free, without having the latest phone, i understand why it wouldnt work on some phones, but my friend has a moto X and he cant update to the new OS WTF is this?Sergio Velasco – 2014-10-21 18:38:00-0400+Veer Obhan Now this is a lie. Moto X was upgraded to Kit Kat 4.4 OS (the latest) a week after the update.Badong Tagalog – 2014-10-21 19:04:11-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-21 19:13:37-0400+Pooka Mustard maybe. Too late however, the virus already mined data from your phone. the prize for having customization is security.

The moment manufacturer hand over the control to untrained user the higher the risk of security treat. The best thing you can get on a phone is snooping sensitive personal information. It isnt destructive, you barely know its there but its there sending info to the hacker.Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-21 19:05:59-0400+Badong Tagalog I don’t go around the Play Store looking for dodgy apps like you do. When I want an app, I read its comments as well as check if its the app I’m looking for. Still, I think even the iOS store had moments like this… too bad I didn’t bookmark them.Sergio Velasco – 2014-10-21 19:07:20-0400Just so all of you ignorant retards there are also viruses for iOS

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5232578Veer Obhan – 2014-10-21 19:22:06-0400Velasco I’m talking about Android L, oh yeah Nvm he can’t get itBadong Tagalog – 2014-10-21 19:22:34-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-21 19:24:06-0400Only ignorant and retard post a link not bother reading whats inside of it…and believe on discussions and unverified opinion. It could be hardware issue based from the answers on the postSergio Velasco – 2014-10-21 19:23:30-0400+Veer Obhan Android L has not officially been released yet. There’s a couple beta pure releases but nothing official until the launch of the nexus 6Veer Obhan – 2014-10-21 19:24:56-0400Velasco ah that explains it, but why would they give the name away?Veer Obhan – 2014-10-21 19:25:09-0400And I thought that the nexus 6 was launchedVeer Obhan – 2014-10-21 19:25:39-0400And from the post all I gathered was that fail broken phones get viruses. And I knew thatPooka Mustard – 2014-10-21 19:27:01-0400+Badong Tagalog Really? First time I knew that a hardware problem could send an “awkward” to one of my friends.LaJuan Hughes – 2014-10-21 23:07:33-0400+Veer Obhan I swith from Palm to android 8/16/10 and never had a problem you were just lucky. Sergio Velasco – 2014-10-21 23:08:30-0400+Veer Obhan because they announced the Nexus 6 and Nexus 9Sergio Velasco – 2014-10-21 23:13:54-0400+Veer Obhan I’ve been using Android since 2011 and I can tell you I’ve only gotten 1 virus. I used an unsecured bootloader ROM and I got a virus. That’s about it, if you use your phone smart you don’t have to worry. Veer Obhan – 2014-10-22 08:55:09-0400+Sergio if I wanted to be able to do all nerdy stuff I would have gone work andoid, but I love the safety of apple, you can never fuck up your phone. And being an developer I need something to work with LaJuan Hughes – 2014-10-22 10:30:54-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-22 10:32:43-0400+Veer Obhan it you mean I can make it how I want it. I’m fine with that I rather have options than no options.  so my option are nerdy of I sheep. I pick nerd the were alway the smart ones . Sergio Velasco – 2014-10-22 10:33:15-0400+Veer Obhan If you believe you can’t mess up iOS or even get a virus on it, you’re more naive than I thoughtLaJuan Hughes – 2014-10-22 10:38:35-0400+Sergio Velasco he is trying not very good but trying. Pooka Mustard – 2014-10-22 14:05:58-0400You should point him to iCloud, +Sergio VelascoVeer Obhan – 2014-10-22 18:31:08-0400I didn’t mean next in a bad way, I’m a nerd too, but iOS doesn’t get viruses unless you tablet with it or jailbreak Sergio Velasco – 2014-10-22 18:43:12-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-22 18:43:35-0400+Veer Obhan The no viruses on IOS has been a tactic spread by Apple, just like they claimed no viruses for their Desktop OS until a report showed while there were minimal viruses compared to windows there sure were enough to compromise their systems.

Don’t buy into the hype, as long as you don’t view shady websites (porn) both on android and IPhone and install 3rd party apps or mess with the boot loader you’re relatively safe.Veer Obhan – 2014-10-22 20:29:04-0400Yeah I’m safe because I don’t do thatVeer Obhan – 2014-10-22 20:29:17-0400I instead of next I mean nerd.Moosie HM – 2014-10-23 14:41:18-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-23 14:42:06-0400I used to be an Apple boy but that changed with me realizing almost everything you said. I only use Macbooks because I find the software runs much smoother and my line of work requires OS X. But I’m over the iPhone madness that’s for sure. Being able to customize everything to my liking is a must. In other words, OpenSource…Android 😉Vishok GP – 2014-10-25 23:39:10-0400+Colin Shaw my man it was an investment and he did not steal microsoft’s idea he stole xerox parc’s idea and he accepted it not like bill who copied all the codes and recreated it to make windowsVishok GP – 2014-10-25 23:59:54-0400+Kerry Webb I know fool its you who is speaking bullshit. I agree that without Unix Apple or Microsoft would not exsist but the argument is about Microsoft and Apple only. So you see bill gates not only worked with Steve jobs but he even betrayed him by recreating the coding infrastructure. Word and excel was also the idea of Steve Jobs.Vishok GP – 2014-10-26 00:55:45-0400right you are but you see if you compare the quantity of what was stolen it was on bill’s side which was more and yes bill even crossed the limit by not going with the deal.Vishok GP – 2014-10-26 01:22:35-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-26 01:24:22-0400+Kerry Webb  U say they stole ideas but they just developed, altered and implemented them like multi touch touch id etc.
so they technically did not and do not copy or stole anything except once. Microsoft is exactly the opposite i belive  Vishok GP – 2014-10-26 01:25:16-0400I’ll tell everybody one thing if Apple is rotten Kitkat and Lollypop are already expiredVeer Obhan – 2014-10-26 01:27:59-0400Hey guys everybody copies.. That’s just the sad truth,, like how without iPhone we wouldn’t have android because smartphones hit it big because of apple and their simple OSVishok GP – 2014-10-26 01:43:24-0400+Keith I Myers my apologies but in fact I feel apple has far more superior security than windows which is inbuilt but windows requires external softwares and securityLaJuan Hughes – 2014-10-26 02:20:53-0400+Veer Obhan palm was before apple and the were smartphone. Before there were smartphone. LaJuan Hughes – 2014-10-26 02:25:06-0400 – Updated: 2014-10-26 02:31:28-0400+Vishok G I don’t remember the last time window was hack but I remember when apple was.  feeling get you in trouble. Google it and get the facts.

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