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Keith I MyersKeith I Myers2014-09-09 14:46:37-0400 – Updated: 2014-09-09 14:46:37-0400Apple has a problem on their hand and they don’t even realize it. Per Apple, they are using NFC with a “Secure Element” to power the new Apple Payment System.

There is a reason why Google has moved away from the “Secure Element” and replaced with it with “Host Card Emulation” a year ago. 

“Secure Elements” work by setting up an encryption method between the NFC radio and the OS. This is a one-time key that is destroyed whenever the phone is factory reset. Once destroyed, it essentially hard bricks the “Secure Element”. To avoid this, users will need to go into Apple’s wallet and clear the Secure Element from within the application prior to a factory reset.

This problem was huge when it debuted with the Samsung Galaxy Nexus,  HTC EVO 4G LTE and 2012 Nexus 7. Note, all of these phones are VERY OLD and Apple is just starting to play catch up. Apple has a problem on their hand and they don't even realize it. Per Apple, they are using NFC with a "Secure Element" to power the new Apple Payment System.

There is a reason why Google has moved away from the "Secure Element" and replaced with it with "Host Card Emulation" a year ago.

"Secure Elements" work by setting up an encryption method between the NFC radio and the OS. This is a one-time key that is destroyed whenever the phone is factory reset. Once destroyed, it essentially hard bricks the "Secure Element". To avoid this, users will need to go into Apple's wallet and clear the Secure Element from within the application prior to a factory reset.

This problem was huge when it debuted with the Samsung Galaxy Nexus,  HTC EVO 4G LTE and 2012 Nexus 7. Note, all of these phones are VERY OLD and Apple is just starting to play catch up. 

Apple has a problem on their hand and they don’t even realize it. Per Apple, they are using NFC with a “Secure Element” to power the new Apple Payment System.There is a reason why Google has moved away from the “Secure Element” and replaced with it with “Host Card Emulation” a year ago.”Secure Elements” work by setting up an encryption method between the NFC radio and the OS. This is a one-time key that is destroyed whenever the phone is factory reset. Once destroyed, it essentially hard bricks the “Secure Element”. To avoid this, users will need to go into Apple’s wallet and clear the Secure Element from within the application prior to a factory reset.This problem was huge when it debuted with the Samsung Galaxy Nexus,  HTC EVO 4G LTE and 2012 Nexus 7. Note, all of these phones are VERY OLD and Apple is just starting to play catch up. 

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http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/14/isis-the-mobile-payments-initiative-from-att-verizon-t-mobile-launches-across-the-u-s/Adam Mckeithan – 2014-09-09 21:23:01-0400You are forgetting something. You rarely need to do a factory reset on a iPhone. Don Dudas – 2014-09-09 22:50:32-0400+M Rosales I’ve used it on my MotoX with 4.4.2 no problem…Kenneth Govens – 2014-09-09 22:52:10-0400+Adam Mckeithan you do it every time they send out a ios update… Which is about monthly..Joe Del Vecchio – 2014-09-09 22:53:23-0400+Adam Mckeithan , really?  I have family members that upgrade theirs regularly and they do a factory reset every time they sell the old one.   Dana Foote – 2014-09-09 22:57:54-0400+Antonio Jiles round about way of admitting you’re wrong 😉Antonio Jiles – 2014-09-09 23:00:12-0400No not really admitting anything. Did you bother to read the article? I guess for some it works. Others…..well…..Adam Mckeithan – 2014-09-09 23:10:57-0400+Joe Del Vecchio yes factory reset to sell

+Kenneth Govens no it’s doesn’t do a factory reset when you update. dre g – 2014-09-09 23:13:45-0400I thought Apple’s implementation was also HCE. The secure element is virtual, or a driver. I don’t know if there is separate hardware so they are relying on object code that is clearly loaded in memory Keith I Myers – 2014-09-09 23:14:37-0400+dre g – Based on what I am seeing, that does not seem to be the casedre g – 2014-09-09 23:17:03-0400+Keith I Myers http://developer.apple.com/apple-pay/dre g – 2014-09-09 23:24:58-0400http://devifi.com or http://go-trust.com any good?Dana Foote – 2014-09-09 23:32:22-0400+Antonio Jiles why would I read a year old article of bad info?Antonio Jiles – 2014-09-09 23:39:31-0400That’s not bad info. unless you have something worth adding to why Google works for some and not all? if you read it, then you would know that service providers are trying to block Google by offering Isis wallet, and providing a more secure way to use their services on their network. in the end of the day, they just want to protect users on their network which Google Wallet can’t do. Isis Wallet; which has now broken up to their own names, T-mobile’s Softcard and Verizon and ATT versions of the Isis Wallet to provide to their customers a service more secure than google wallet on their respective networks. now I don’t feel bad about not using Google wallet anymore. good luck to all those that do.Dana Foote – 2014-09-09 23:42:14-0400+Antonio Jiles but they aren’t… Only Verizon is. May Cier – 2014-09-09 23:47:29-0400Apple has been late with everything for the past few years. They don’t even have i7 cores in their computers yet.Antonio Jiles – 2014-09-09 23:48:44-0400Only verizon is doing what?Don Felipe – 2014-09-09 23:54:35-0400God Bless G+ and arm chair NFC specialists. Only they, in one measley paragraph, could they know that what a billion dollar tech company and billions spent in research in the industry doesn’t know… Amazing… Craig Sotelo – 2014-09-09 23:56:38-0400 – Updated: 2014-09-09 23:57:16-0400So my question is this will T-Mobile, and Verizon not allow Apple to use their network using nfc with secure element like Google and force isis or are they all going to finally allow it with the threat of possibly loosing customers to att who will allow it Michael Evans – 2014-09-10 00:02:23-0400Er…why can’t triggering a factory reset clear the secure element as part of the factory reset process?Kevin Timmons – 2014-09-10 00:06:38-0400+May Cier wtf are you smoking? No i7 in their computers? You can get many macs in the i7 configuration. I – 2014-09-10 00:07:20-0400I don’t think apple would be so naive Dana Foote – 2014-09-10 00:17:47-0400Ugh. Done.Phillip Leman – 2014-09-10 03:01:41-0400+Antonio Jiles Google wallet is accepted at many places in America. Not sure where your at and its amazing.MD REZAUL KARIM Live TV – 2014-09-10 03:03:39-0400HalloAnton Mochalin – 2014-09-10 08:07:58-0400+Fernando Maldonado are you completely, absolutely sure that it’s not you projecting your own butthurt to G+ users? I’ve talked to a friend today who is an Apple fan (though not fanboy) and he had balls to describe iPhone 6 in terms like “bullshit”. He owns an iPhone, a MacBook Pro and has developed at least one app for iOS. Antonio Jiles – 2014-09-10 08:56:00-0400If they want to standardize mobile payments, then they need to add this option to every store everywhere. They still have not. That’s why they are in the same situation now as they were in 2012. They want to eliminate the credit card, but how can that be when every store does not use mobile payment?Mark Strus – 2014-09-10 09:07:32-0400So what you’re telling me is not to buy a used iPhone 6. Paul Brocklehurst – 2014-09-10 10:34:19-0400Wait, I’ve factory reset my 2012 n7 a couple of times without even thinking about secure element. Is the NFC functionality on it dead now?Zohrab Getikian – 2014-09-10 13:18:26-0400+Antonio Jiles I am on t-mobile and use nothing but Google wallet. What are you taking about? Raymond Wilson – 2014-09-10 13:47:38-0400Ever used itunes then this isn’t a mistake they want you to go threw all this shit.Antonio Jiles – 2014-09-10 14:31:58-0400+Zohrab Getikian thats good for you. I gave an explanation and an article about them trying to block google wallet. Jay L – 2014-09-10 21:23:01-0400Borked the secure element messing around on my Galaxy Nexus.  Samsung couldn’t fix without replacing the entire board, which they wouldn’t do.  Great point.Keith I Myers – 2014-12-31 18:30:17-0500Just an update to all who doubted me – I WAS RIGHT https://plus.google.com/111318370678852884742/posts/arWzu1q79rB

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