20130818 So… Next Time Someone Walks Up To Me

Keith I MyersKeith I Myers2013-08-18 22:31:01-0400 – Updated: 2013-08-18 22:31:01-0400So… Next time someone walks up to me in a store while I am wearing Glass to ask me if I am recording them, I will start answering them with the followiing

“Due to a limitation in the Glass hardware, I am unable to record while using X-Ray vision at the same time, so no, I am not able to record you now”Shared to the community Glass Explorers – Public+1’d by: John, Bryan Foster, Roger Edwards, Christina Nickel, Johann Dirry, Chris Jenkins, Jimmy Grewal, Collin Jasnoch, Gary G, Jason Newman, Shauna Mork, Katy Kasmai, Armani Cassel, Philemon Vanderbeck, Joseph Cappellino, Matthew Patience, Samuel Holmes, G. Hussain Chinoy, Chris Vukin, Adam Lawrence, Charles Gaines, Jeffrey Young, Nitocris P., Homer Gaines, Jacob Prystowsky, Isaac Winters, Hannah Mayle, James Dunker, Laura Ockel, Frank Morrissey, Kevin Bjorke, Samantha MyersReshared by: Nitocris P.Jolyn Bowler – 2013-08-18 22:32:22-0400giggles  . . . perfect answer ‘-}Kevin Bjorke – 2013-08-18 22:35:58-0400I say “only collecting phone and credit card numbers from passerby – video uses up the battery too quickly”Jolyn Bowler – 2013-08-18 22:38:41-0400+Kevin Bjorke *grins*Scott GrantSmith – 2013-08-18 23:15:34-04001) There is a fairly foolproof and obvious way of knowing if someone is recording or not. The screen glows while recording. Look at the top-down view of the prism. The internal half-silvered mirror reflects half the light outward first then, after the other half of the light reflects off the end-cap mirror half the remaining light (so, one quarter of the original light) is reflected toward the wearer’s eye.

2) It is the responsibility of all people to demonstrate common sense, common courtesy and not to be an obstinate little so & so.Keith Barrett – 2013-08-18 23:30:37-0400I always ask “should I be? Who are you?”Keith Barrett – 2013-08-18 23:45:29-0400 – Updated: 2013-08-18 23:49:49-0400+Alexander Kaymak What’s strange is that you think a Glass user has to somehow apologize for owning the product, like an assumed criminal. People are taking photos of me and not a single one has ever asked me if it was OK beforehand, and the REAL people recording things in secret would not ever use Glass to do so (too obvious, too expensive, too short a battery life). People also walk into bathrooms all the time with cameras on their chest and there’s NO way of knowing if they are video recording or not. And don’t forget the zillions of camera phone upskirt sites proving camera phones are historically more stealthy than Glass. Who should you fear — the person wearing Google Glass in plain sight a few feet from you, or the $7/hr person with no background check sitting alone in a dark room recording videos off security cameras in the malls and streets?Scott GrantSmith – 2013-08-18 23:49:00-0400+Alexander Kaymak Going without saying may be part of the problem. I have no problem with reiterating and/or clarifying appropriate behavior when it is unclear. Most references to Glass, though seem to place the burden on Glass users to be extra polite.

Personally, I don’t respond in a snarky way because I find that to be even more off-putting and makes it even less likely that I’ll get my way in the long run. I can, however, understand the impulse to be snarky, sassy, obstinate, and even rude! Posts like the original one here could be considered a way of blowing off steam and allowing a little in-crowd chuckle. Doing that instead of blowing up at someone who’s been rude to us out in the real world seems appropriate to me.Kevin Bjorke – 2013-08-19 00:05:49-0400Sadly, many people miss out on a lot of great jokes.Keith Barrett – 2013-08-19 00:10:43-0400How about “I can if you sign this release form”Chris Jenkins – 2013-08-19 00:58:17-0400Relevant: https://plus.google.com/110677274294554982279/posts/RPZC5mV45UhFawad Qadri – 2013-08-19 08:18:46-0400Wouldn’t it be simple enough to have a warning LED on the frame.. if the user is recording..the LED Will be on indicating to anyone that they are being recorded without any need for verbal confirmations and questions Scott GrantSmith – 2013-08-19 08:27:21-0400It might be simple enough but few people who have glass want that. We don’t have LED tell-tale lights on camera phones, either.Fawad Qadri – 2013-08-19 08:30:04-0400Scott it’s true that camera phones don’t have an LED but the when your holding up your phone and pointing it at someone gives them a clue at what you may be doing. Glass doesn’t have that obvious giveaway.Fawad Qadri – 2013-08-19 08:30:50-0400I’d rather have an LED on glass than to have it banned outright at establishmentsFawad Qadri – 2013-08-19 08:32:12-0400And yup I maybe the minority..just thinking out loud 🙂Keith Barrett – 2013-08-19 09:38:25-0400 – Updated: 2013-08-19 09:39:13-0400+Fawad Qadri An LED would not stop anyone from thinking or reacting the same way, plus most recording devices today don’t have one (my camera doesn’t, my cellphone doesn’t). LED recording indicators haven’t been around since the 90s.Fawad Qadri – 2013-08-19 10:01:32-0400+Alexander Kaymak thanks Alex. I was beginning to think I’m the only one 🙂 +Keith Barrett the light would minimize the questions as to “Are you recording?”. Yes they may still object but that’s a different issue all together. In terms of no lights on cameras and phones, as I said earlier and +Alexander Kaymak did too, you don’t need lights on cameras and phones. It’s pretty obvious when your holding a camera up in the air and pointing it AT someone. The same goes with a phone. With Glass, you have it on your face in front of your eyes. Even if you’re looking in their direction, they may suspect you are recording them. That was the motivation behind the suggestion to make recording more obvious so the other party is aware when you are or are not recording Keith Barrett – 2013-08-19 10:02:48-0400 – Updated: 2013-08-19 10:06:53-0400+Alexander Kaymak So the next time I’m pretending to talk on my phone but in reality I’m recording some video (we’ve all done this), or the next time I have my DSLR hanging from my neck or using a telephoto lens and it’s recording video of an event I’ll remind you of your point.

A recording LED does nothing useful and is barely visible, and it’s only an indicator when the person is NOT trying to record secretly. People will just put tape over it anyway.Fawad Qadri – 2013-08-19 10:05:48-0400+Keith Barrett now you’re talking about deception and surveillance. That can happen anywhere and any time. Not sure how you can compare these 2 scenarios.Fawad Qadri – 2013-08-19 10:10:44-0400+Keith Barrett We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’m sure there are people on both sides. Keith Barrett – 2013-08-19 10:11:15-0400 – Updated: 2013-08-19 10:13:42-0400+Fawad Qadri So you just want a placebo? Your position makes no sense now. On the one hand you’re saying you want an LED to stop a misunderstanding of surveillance, and on the other hand you’re saying that real surveillance is a different matter and people should accept it. Then consider me 24×7 surveillance – sounds like a better choice for all.

If you believe, in ANY circumstance someone is recording you — GO ASK!! It’s not their responsibility to walk around life proving they aren’t. Glass is no different than any other recording device, and they’ve been around for years. Get over it.Keith Barrett – 2013-08-19 10:17:04-0400 – Updated: 2013-08-19 10:35:23-0400+Fawad Qadri I agree you want to play into people’s fears and fantasy rather than educate them with facts. Do I need to wear a shirt that says “I’m not carrying a gun” in case someone mistakes the cellphone in my pocket for a gun? OR here’s an idea… how about everyone assume their behavior in public is accountable, and they are being recorded all the time, and misuse of that recording is punishable under existing liable laws, and that in all likelyhood no one cares about you enough to spend time or batteries on recording you, and an LED does nothing because no one that would abide by it would record you anyway and those that wouldn’t would just cover it up or intentionally break it. All it WILL do is add to the cost.

This is why ladders are so expensive now. Because they come with a ton of warning stickers on how not to do this or using them in storms or carry objects or use the top step — because some idiot did those things and a lawyer or the government decided to treat the entire public like they’ve children.

Glass will not prevent idiots or the intentionally deceptive from doing anything, and it will not make respectful people do bad things.Fawad Qadri – 2013-08-19 11:23:19-0400+Keith Barrett you aren’t getting it. First of all I never said we should ACCEPT surveillance. I was saying deception is different than what we are discussing here which is assuming people are not lying about recording. Not sure where you actually assumed that from my statement. All I said was that pretending to talk on your phone while you are actually recording is deceptive and will and can be construed as surveillance. The same goes for a camera hanging around your neck which is actually recording. BOTH those devices, when used by most people, require you to observe the device or through the device to see what you are recording and also pointed at the target being recorded. This makes it fairly obvious to people around you that you are attempting to record them. If you walked into a cafe holding up a camera or a phone and started pointing it at everyone, yeah people will come up and ask you what you are doing even if you aren’t recording anything at all.
The whole point of my statement was that we’d be better off with the light to avoid the constant questions about whether we were recording someone with Glass simply because we were wearing it (which is akin to the example I gave you of walking into a cafe with a camera held up and panning through the whole cafe at everyone)
And yes of course there will be ppl who will abuse it and lie and deceive. Keith Barrett – 2013-08-19 12:46:04-0400 – Updated: 2013-08-19 13:58:59-0400BOTH those devices, when used by most people, require you to observe the device or through the device to see what you are recording

Same is true for Glass

This makes it fairly obvious to people around you that you are attempting to record them

Not my responsibility to constantly reassure people I’m not doing something they might not like, which itself is extremely subjective and impossible to achieve overall.

If you walked into a cafe holding up a camera or a phone and started pointing it at everyone

And in this country, that’s legal

The whole point of my statement was that we’d be better off with the light to avoid the constant questions

No; it’s stupid light that I would instantly cover or break so you don’t know what I’m doing, because it’s really none of your business whether you like it or not. Those are MY rights. And I’d RATHER have the questions and conversations. That’s what civilized people do. As security people will tell you, you cannot address a social problem by changing the technology, It takes social solutions (dialog, experience, education). I will never support responding to FUD by rolling over to it. I will never support addressing “inconsiderate” people by placing a burden on the rest of us. It’s YOUR responsibility to catch someone breaking the law, not everyone else to declare they are complying with it.Bryan Foster – 2013-08-19 13:35:54-0400I wonder how many of these people walk up to someone who has their smartphone out checking their FB status, but the camera side of their phone may be facing them, and ask “are you recording me”? It’s the same thing. The potential is there for anyone with a smart phone. And there are apps that will allow the home screen to show while recording (stealth mode).

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